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FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Re: FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Post by jMyles »

devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

> racism in the United States got fixed

Did I miss a memo?

There are more black men under state custody or supervision in the United States today for acts that no sensible person regards as criminal (drugs) than were enslaved in 1850.

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Post by ubernostrum »

yareally wrote: post #11
darpa_escapee wrote: post #2

FBI started out as the Pinkerton agency. They identified and intimidated/killed strikers, workers planning to unionize and anyone that got in the way of business. This isn't surprising.

I think you mean the Secret Service started out as the Pinkerton Detective Agency. They became part of the government due in part of protecting the president and investigation into monetary related crime. The FBI came in early 20th century as a need to address more conventional crime that crossed state lines and made it difficult for states to investigate/prosecute (organized crime, kidnapping, bootlegging). While yo…

Neither one is true.

The Secret Service was initially chartered solely as an anti-counterfeiting task force. The Pinkertons never became part of the government; they were just a handy private army to be deployed by people who'd obtained the good will of the government.

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Post by nickff »

jMyles wrote: post #21
devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

> racism in the United States got fixed Did I miss a memo? There are more black men under state custody or supervision in the United States today for acts that no sensible person regards as criminal (drugs) than were enslaved in 1850.

Many otherwise sensible people support 'drug crimes', and most of those who want to 'decriminalize' recreational drugs still support widespread criminally and civilly enforced restrictions.

I support no special drug regulations or crimes at all (i.e. nothing outside fraud liability), but I am in the tiny minority.

edit: to be clear, I would prefer to eliminate the whole prescription system and FDA regulatory apparatus. I am not just talking about marijuana.

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Post by 464192002d7fe1c »

jMyles wrote: post #21
devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

> racism in the United States got fixed Did I miss a memo? There are more black men under state custody or supervision in the United States today for acts that no sensible person regards as criminal (drugs) than were enslaved in 1850.

"no sensible person regards as criminal"

If no sensible person regards them as criminal, they would not be crimes.

Your assertion is that the sentencing/laws are racist. I would assert that crime, itself, is racist. For whatever reason some minorities commit more crimes. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that they do it BECAUSE they are a minority. I am not saying black people are inherently more criminal because they are black, merely that based on demographics a black person is more likely to be a criminal. I do not know why that is (nor do you) and do not make any attempt at explaining it.

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Post by jrs95 »

jMyles wrote: post #21
devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

> racism in the United States got fixed Did I miss a memo? There are more black men under state custody or supervision in the United States today for acts that no sensible person regards as criminal (drugs) than were enslaved in 1850.

Although to be fair it's probably a much lower proportion of black men now than it was in 1850. There are certainly still problems, but they aren't nearly as bad as they were just a few decades ago.

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Post by 464192002d7fe1c »

nickff wrote: post #23
jMyles wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> racism in the United States got fixed Did I miss a memo? There are more black men under state custody or supervision in the United States today for acts that no sensible person regards as criminal (drugs) than were enslaved in 1850.

Many otherwise sensible people support 'drug crimes', and most of those who want to 'decriminalize' recreational drugs still support widespread criminally and civilly enforced restrictions. I support no special drug regulations or crimes at all (i.e. nothing outside fraud liability), but I am in the tiny minority. edit: to be clear, I would prefer to eliminate the whole prescription system and FDA regulatory apparatu…

Keep in mind also, even those people who support legalization (myself) do not necessarily believe that that means that existing laws should be ignored and unenforced. This creates a situation where police and politicians can choose, based on whatever subjective factors they want, who to prosecute. This leads to anarchy.

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Post by 464192002d7fe1c »

devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

I think the message is that violence isn't protest.

If you're bashing someone's head in with a pole to prove they are a fascist, you need to take a step back and realize that you're the fascist.

[You, too, can be a facist, just down-vote this comment that is purely pointing out that violence is bad!]

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Post by drawkbox »

Protesting peacefully is an American right, this will be a list of real patriots.

However, this is a bit scary. Corporations have become the brownshirts and we are inching towards a one-party authoritarian system like China it seems.

Unfortunately the divide and conquer strategy of the two party system in the US makes people honor party over country and this is a problem. The only solution is to be more independent.

"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Post by JohnTHaller »

leereeves wrote: post #15
JohnTHaller wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get to conflate the handful of anarchists breaking windows and setting fires the night before with the 3m of us who marched peacefully during the Women's March, then we get to conflate all Trump voters with the literal nazis - as in "Sieg Heil", nazi salute, call themselves "nazis" - that voted for him and celebrated his victory. It's only fair. (And, yes, I'm saying that both of these things are a bad idea si…

Violence wasn't limited to a handful of anarchists during the inauguration. There have been numerous incidents of assault, arson, vandalism, looting, and such during protests for at least a couple years now, starting with BLM protests long before Trump and the election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest Some prominent activists have even defended these acts. For example, Deeray McKesson called In Defense…

Really had to move the goal posts from my specific example there, didn't you?

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Post by itsjohncena »

464192002d7fe1c wrote: post #24
jMyles wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> racism in the United States got fixed Did I miss a memo? There are more black men under state custody or supervision in the United States today for acts that no sensible person regards as criminal (drugs) than were enslaved in 1850.

"no sensible person regards as criminal" If no sensible person regards them as criminal, they would not be crimes. Your assertion is that the sentencing/laws are racist. I would assert that crime, itself, is racist. For whatever reason some minorities commit more crimes. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that they do it BECAUSE they are a minority. I am not saying black people are inherently more criminal because they are…

People do know. You just aren't looking to answer the question, for reasons only you know.

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