Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

Post by crdoconnor » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 3:25 PM UTC

yummyfajitas wrote: post #182

crdoconnor wrote: post #148

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The fact that the institutions you are born under (like government) are real and race isn't ( http://www.vox.com/2014/10/10/6943461/race-social-construct-... ). Are you suggesting India become the 51st state of America?

All your reasons why race isn't real is simply because legal/cultural definitions of it can change dependent on legal and social norms. So can the idea of "Americanness" - either laws around citizenship/work permission/etc, or cultural/social norms around this.

Post by 0xfeba » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 3:28 PM UTC

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Not necessarily the same people commenting on the first and the second. That's the issue with "The Reddit/HN/Gawker/*chan/Twitter's community is toxic".

This is a classic logical fallacy I see too often. It's like mentally creating a Venn diagram of "People who said a" and "People who said b" and then just assuming that the two circles basically entirely overlap - without any basis. I feel like it's somehow a variation on a straw man argument, but I can't work out if that's a good enough analog. Would be interested to know if anyone knows of a more formal name for it…

Post by mattnewton » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 3:30 PM UTC

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Maybe. Here's the thing. Think about this as an MVP slapped together in a weekend, about to hit the biggest batch of software testers around. They're going to find show stopping bugs. And every one of those bugs is going to be someone's life, uprooted. Visa allocation changes _going_forward_ are certainly a reasonable thing. Fully within the realm of policy. But I'm going to bet that these changes are going to be of…

That has some huge problems which we've all seen this weekend, but in the long run, is that really worse than the old style of decades of inaction and debate topped off by an ineffectual bill that does nothing? It's pretty similar to the disruption in the tech industry. "What do you mean you deploy bugs to production and then fix them after end users report them? Haven't you heard of QA?!!"

Post by 0xfeba » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 3:31 PM UTC

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kapnobatairza wrote: post #61

I think the fairly straightforward solution to the H1B issue is to tie it to a salary requirement, rather than a lottery/other subjective measures. If I want to hire a software developer from abroad and I'm willing to pay him above-market rates relative to similar jobs, that should demonstrate that I'm hiring that person because of his skills/knowledge rather than trying to cut costs.

It's already the case. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Condition_Application )

Post by hackerboos » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 3:39 PM UTC

crdoconnor wrote: post #155

paradite wrote: post #33

Interesting. Singapore introduced the exact same policy (hire Singaporeans first) a few years ago. I thought it was well-intentioned even though it would hurt myself as a foreigner. Edit to add source: http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/firms-must-show-they-t...

Outside of the corporate expat-package bubble Singapore is a terrible place to work anyway. Virtually all of the hiring managers I talked to were clueless about technology and were content to pay shitty wages for substandard work. The nature of their 2 year military service also has the effect of turning the locals into servile yes-men.