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Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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I love HN. Trump hating on Iranians and Mexicans. HN: "I hate Trump, he's so mean to immigrants. And avocado prices will go up! ::angry face:: Trump hating on Indians who took our jobs! HN: "Protectionism for me too? ::swoons::"

It's almost like there are different people here with different opinions.

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#152

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Good question. I would say, collective ownership. A country can be thought of as 'owned' by its people, with the rules of ownership agreed upon by the owners themselves (everyone owns an equal share -> 1 person 1 vote, ownership may not be transfered, but is given upon being born in the country or to an owner, and so on). This way, a country reduces to property. Should not the owners of property be free to manage it…

In that case, I suppose it's reasonable for a historically white suburb (with all white owners) to create rules for themselves that keep blacks out? That way, a municipality reduces to property. Should not the owners of property be free to manage it in their own favor?

It is not. Nothing in the thought experiment implies the laws of the country are not superior to those of the municipality. And as those laws require the country to treat all its citizens equaly and/or explicitly forbid discrimination, a municiaplity could not legally create such rules.

This is not a hypothetical - the collective ownership way of thinking applies just fine to the US, where such discrimination was ruled illegal.

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

#153

I love HN. Trump hating on Iranians and Mexicans. HN: "I hate Trump, he's so mean to immigrants. And avocado prices will go up! ::angry face:: Trump hating on Indians who took our jobs! HN: "Protectionism for me too? ::swoons::"

Not necessarily the same people commenting on the first and the second.

That's the issue with "The Reddit/HN/Gawker/*chan/Twitter's community is toxic".

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

#154
post #65

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No it's not that good for software developers or anyone really. Many of those hired on H1B are doing roles for which they simply can't get enough local talent. And so all that is going to happen is that companies are going to shift entire projects offshore or simply not take on as many projects. There does need to be reform. But frankly given the chaotic manner in which the Trump administration is crafting and implem…

> Many of those hired on H1B are doing roles for which they simply can't get local talent So it's not just a way to get regular software developers at a cheap price? OK let's raise the minimum salary requirement for H1B visas to $120k.

In France its quite straight forward to get a skilled worker visa -- just earn more than 3100 Euros per month (~1.5 * average earnings in France). Shouldn't be a problem for tech workers.

(They are also introducing a 'tech startup visa' in the near future.)

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

#155

Interesting. Singapore introduced the exact same policy (hire Singaporeans first) a few years ago. I thought it was well-intentioned even though it would hurt myself as a foreigner. Edit to add source: http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/firms-must-show-they-t...

Outside of the corporate expat-package bubble Singapore is a terrible place to work anyway.

Virtually all of the hiring managers I talked to were clueless about technology and were content to pay shitty wages for substandard work.

The nature of their 2 year military service also has the effect of turning the locals into servile yes-men.

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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post #102

Maybe one day no one would like to live in USA, and the citizens will start migrating, investors will choose other countries, and then only "Americans" will live there. Then people will realise , we fucked it up , probably they will never get it.

Hopefully at that point they can migrate from the US to the Republic of California http://www.yescalifornia.org/

I live in SF and hate how glibly techies talk about secession.

It may be because I grew up in the south and it's part of our history but techies seem to forget that the bloodiest US conflict in history was to prevent this very thing. To even entertain the idea that secession would not result in a mass amounts of destruction death exemplifies the Bay area bubble mentality.

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post #143

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Yes, this is a new type of spending that hasn't existed before, and therefore taxes either have to increase or something else that is currently getting the 30k doesn't get it any more. You can't hand-wave away where this money comes from.

Trumpists can: “This is the United States government. First of all, you never have to default because you print the money, I hate to tell you, OK?”

Before people dismiss this, it is an actual Trump quote.

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

#159
post #45

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that this may not be an altogether bad thing. From the article: "The foreign work visas were originally established to help U.S. companies recruit from abroad when they couldn’t find qualified local workers. But in recent years, there have been allegations the programs have been abused to bring in cheaper workers from overseas to fill jobs that otherwise may go to Americans…

Maybe. Here's the thing. Think about this as an MVP slapped together in a weekend, about to hit the biggest batch of software testers around. They're going to find show stopping bugs. And every one of those bugs is going to be someone's life, uprooted. Visa allocation changes _going_forward_ are certainly a reasonable thing. Fully within the realm of policy. But I'm going to bet that these changes are going to be of…

Also if not discussed properly, there is a possibility of trade war.I am all for better VISA policy, but I am sure US doesn't want India to go China route and block american companies or apply more tarrifs(India also has a somewhat populist leader).

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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post #132

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Why do you think one needs to experience poverty to make accurate claims about it? Like it or not, the statistics show that poor Americans don't work very much, they are well fed, and they have living conditions that are not drastically different from the rich and are much better than most of the world. Feel free to try and prove me wrong. But I'm willing to gamble that all you've got is anecdotes, no stats.

Why do you think I think that? You haven't offered an argument to "prove wrong." You've offered assertions and antagonism. If your intent is to invite discussion, it isn't a very good attempt.

>> the statistics show that poor Americans don't work very much, they are well fed, and they have living conditions that are not drastically different from the rich

> You haven't offered an argument to "prove wrong."

Prove the assertion wrong then. You're the one who atagonised originally:

> leads me to believe you haven't experienced poverty in America

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