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Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by pfarnsworth »

AnOscelot wrote: post #213
pfarnsworth wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Bannon is an asshole and I wish he didn't have such a close position to the President. The only saving grace is that Trump is so arrogant, I don't think he will follow anything Bannon says that he already doesn't believe. But since when is he a neo-nazi? Breitbart.com is about as pro-Israel as you can get, and Breitbart himself was a Jew. Trump's daughter Ivanka is also a Jew, as is her husband, who is now an…

There's evidence Bannon has been the chief author behind some of the recent executive orders. Especially the immigration order. Trump is arrogant but he's very easily influenced. And I'm not convinced he even understands what he is signing. His antisemitism has been well documented. How he gets along with Kushner and Ivanka, I have no idea. I suspect they don't get along at all. There will plenty of books on Trump's…

Evidence? Trump pledged all of those since the beginning, before Bannon was involved in his campaign. "Easily influenced?" You're making shit up now. I've never seen anyone so ridiculous stubborn in such a position of power. Any evidence he's "easily influenced" besides your opinions? He hasn't even given up his Twitter account for God's sake and he doesn't listen to any of his advisors to shut up, except for the day before the election.

> How he gets along with Kushner and Ivanka, I have no idea.

The obvious answer is that he's not anti-Semitic.

You can try to make up stuff, or pull one off references from divorce proceedings, but he was head of a strongly Pro-Israel website, created by a Jew. If he's anti-Semitic, he's a failure. He's working for a president that obviously supports and loves Jews, since his daughter converted to Judaism without any issue from him, and his Jewish son-in-law is his top adviser.

If you think he's some Othellian figure that can endure working for so many Jews and espousing Jewish values, all for the chance to whisper one-or-two white nationalist policies into Trumps brain, you're absolutely crazy. Okkam's razor, dude. The simplest answer is that you're wrong and he's not anti-semitic.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by andreyf »

facetube wrote: post #7

Donald Trump is being powered by conspiracy theorist Steve Bannon, the "Breitbart News" head and board member of Cambridge Analytica, an analytics firm that used psychological profiling to cynically exploit the American electorate. Despite his inexperience and stated desire to "blow things up", he was appointed to an influential national security position, over the Joint Chiefs of Staff [1]. This is an existential th…

CNN also reports that Bannon feels free to over-rule DHS legal counsel on constitutionally questionable immigration actions as part of their PR strategy [1].

1. http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-b...

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by Neliquat »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #81
rashkov wrote: post #34

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I'm not denying that, and I feel weird defending Uber at all, but then you'd also need to account for why they offered to compensate their drivers affected by this travel ban, and why would they lower their surge pricing. I'm okay with saying that they're trying to play both sides of this.

Which in the context of a strike, isn't possible. The purpose of these kind of labor actions is to force a clarification about with whom one holds solidarity, in this case refugees and immigrants. Breaking the strike is breaking the strike. They did not hold with refugees and immigrants, even after the taxi drivers explicitly asked them to do so. Everything else is just trying to mitigate damage to the point where pe…

With us or against us is some bullshit logic. This is not a binary issue.

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Post by dang »

imaginenore wrote: post #191
dang wrote: post #158

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Religious flamewars are not welcome here (nor prepared lists of religious flamewar talking points). We warned you about this at least once before. If you do it again, we will ban you. We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13515321 and marked it off-topic.

That was not a prepared list of talking points. I just searched for the fresh polls that support my argument. Of course, I understand your desire to censor me, since you don't have an actual counter-argument.

I apologize for misinterpreting your list. The rest of your comment is troll talk.

If you conduct religious flamewar here again, we will ban you, as we would anyone.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by AnOscelot »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #241
AnOscelot wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's evidence Bannon has been the chief author behind some of the recent executive orders. Especially the immigration order. Trump is arrogant but he's very easily influenced. And I'm not convinced he even understands what he is signing. His antisemitism has been well documented. How he gets along with Kushner and Ivanka, I have no idea. I suspect they don't get along at all. There will plenty of books on Trump's…

Evidence? Trump pledged all of those since the beginning, before Bannon was involved in his campaign. "Easily influenced?" You're making shit up now. I've never seen anyone so ridiculous stubborn in such a position of power. Any evidence he's "easily influenced" besides your opinions? He hasn't even given up his Twitter account for God's sake and he doesn't listen to any of his advisors to shut up, except for the day…

The ADL disagrees with you regarding Bannon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/11...

As for who wrote the executive orders:

" Inside the West Wing, it is almost impossible for some aides to know what is in the executive orders, staffers say. They have been written by Stephen Miller, Trump’s senior White House adviser for policy, and Steve Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, according to people familiar with the matter. Ideas for some of the Trump executive orders came from transition officials and so-called “landing teams,” " --http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trumps-flashy-executiv...

How can someone be pro-Israel and antisemitic?

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/16/steve-bannon-made-breitb...

http://forward.com/news/israel/354402/how-steve-bannon-and-b...

And of course he would put up working with Jews if it meant he had a seat at the table and a chance to enact his wildest dreams. In a choice between power and principles, most people chose power. Your proposed Occam's Razor doesn't work because you're ignoring the most obvious thing: the desire of people for power. If being Trump's right hand man means putting up with Kushner, then so be it. I'm sure Kushner, as the other key figure standing beside the throne, feels the same way. He can put up with an antisemite in order to be in the White House.

Think about it. Occam's Razor is for the simplest choice. Assuming Bannon's racism, Bannon's choice here is: work with Jews and have a lot of power, or avoid Jews and go back to the mundane life as a publisher with no seat at the table. There's really no question of what he would choose.

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

rashkov wrote: post #5
Pfhreak wrote: post #2

Uber undermining the taxi strike [1] yesterday was pretty visible -- at least in my social circle here in Seattle -- and when Lyft made this announcement we all deleted our Uber accounts. Will that have a material impact on anyone's bottom line? Who knows, but I'd love to see the graphs for new account signups/account deletions. [1] Taxis were not servicing JFK in support of those who were being detained there.

I think there's a pro-Uber case to be made here. Uber suspended surge pricing at a time when many people were trying to get to the protest at the airport, and while the airtrain was shut down which is what connects the subway system to the airport. Furthermore Uber offered to compensate its drivers who are affected by the ban, if they get stuck outside of the country. Edit: Maybe Uber mis-stepped by honoring requests…

The whole Uber paying drivers stuck outside the country came after the perhaps well-intended surge pricing debacle. To me, that move is textbook Crisis Management. And having driven for Uber, their SOP is to never do anything that favors drivers. They don't even think of drivers, who pay to use their network, as customers.

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Post by EthanHeilman »

nerfhammer wrote: post #192
rashkov wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone else in this thread pointed out that the headlines would be really bad for Uber if they said something like "Uber surges 500% while breaking airport taxi strike". It seems like they were trying to cover themselves, while not outright joining the strike, as if to triangulate towards the center.

If you mean the third option was to disable all service from JFK? Though I don't think the regular taxi companies or Lyft did that either.

That is exactly what the Taxi strike did.

>"NO PICKUPS @ JFK Airport 6 PM to 7 PM today," the union wrote in a subsequent tweet that was retweeted over 10,000 times. "Drivers stand in solidarity with thousands protesting inhumane & unconstitutional #MuslimBan."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-scene-at-jfk-as-taxi-d...

The objection is not that Uber didn't join the strike but that Uber reduced their prices to undermine the strike and get new customers.

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Post by paulddraper »

rapsey wrote: post #100
ajamesm wrote: post #15

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$1M just got them the best PR campaign they could have hoped for.

By pissing off half the country?

If they had said "Hillary Clinton is the best thing ever", that would have pissed off half the country.

Trump wasn't popular; he was just popular enough, and it's for a variety of reasons, not just one.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by giaour »

Pfhreak wrote: post #2

Uber undermining the taxi strike [1] yesterday was pretty visible -- at least in my social circle here in Seattle -- and when Lyft made this announcement we all deleted our Uber accounts. Will that have a material impact on anyone's bottom line? Who knows, but I'd love to see the graphs for new account signups/account deletions. [1] Taxis were not servicing JFK in support of those who were being detained there.

I deleted my account, too, but I wonder if that was the most effective way to register my discontent with Uber. It was estimated in December that Uber spends about $1.55 for every dollar of revenue they take in [1], so refusing to use Uber isn't exactly hurting their bottom line.

On the other hand, I've yet to talk to an Uber driver that doesn't also accept fares via Lyft, and if we can convince drivers to abandon Uber by shifting our consumer dollars to Lyft, then the Uber brand and platform will lose value.

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/21/uber-losses-expected-to-hi...

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Post by battlebot »

lifeformed wrote: post #232
jakeogh wrote: post #161

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Well, it's not a "Muslim Ban" for starters. Look up the countries with the highest Muslim populations, then cross ref to the list of countries that have a 90 day (to start) ban.

It is a Muslim ban. It's just how you do it politically. You start with the goal of banning Muslims, then you see how to implement it in a way that gives you plausible deniability. You couldn't get away with just saying, "No Muslims allowed." That is way too overtly racist and illegal. So you look for existing groupings of countries that align with your goals. You find a list of countries banned on the visa waiver pr…

Until Muslims can be trusted to peacefully coexist in the west and not undermine western legal tradition, I'm fine with a Muslim ban. I feel some tinge of compassion for the non-violent muslims out there, but in an us vs. them world, not one more inch will be given up to this clash of old world vs. new world.

If Islam can't find a way to make a peaceful journey in the world, then it has to go. Moderate Muslims need to step up and completely denounce their violent sub-groups. COMPLETELY DENOUNCE--not quietly bolster or nod knowingly to.

It is not institutional racism to see that a violent ideology is harming American citizens. There have already been many attacks inside the US. The media does its utmost to downplay the fact that radical Islam is behind all of those attacks.

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