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Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by r00fus »

magarathea wrote: post #159
awolf wrote: post #25

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Travis Kalanick, Uber's CEO, made public statements indicating that Uber must work with the Trump administration. Four days later Uber stepped up as scrubs while the rest of the New York's taxi service protested Trump's deplorable racist actions. It's hard to pretend this is a coincidence.

I have heard this called racist a few times and at risk of sounding like a pedant or an apologist I respectfully object. Creating abusive policy targeted at people from certain countries seems xenophobic, isolationist, draconian, cruel, stupid. Racism is a far more evil concept than any of those. Abusing and rationalizing the abuse of people because you have made a generalization based on their geography, ideology or…

This is a strawman. People call Trump racist, but this is an unconstitutional action with clearly racial motives.

Arguing against this being called "racism" is completely missing the point.

What Trump is doing is unamerican and unconstitutional. Arguably an impeachable offense.

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Post by r00fus »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #145
stephancoral wrote: post #23

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Everything uber does is about money and they aren't afraid to flout the law / custom and "disrupt". They swooped in during a strike. They are scabs. They are obviously doing it to grab money. Their CEO is buddy buddy with Trump.

Is Elon Musk buddy-buddy with Trump as well, because they're on the same advisory board? Are you going to rant against Tesla too?

Considering that Musk is competing against the entire petroleum industry (major supporters of Trump) with SolarCity and Tesla, I'd be surprised if the "friendship" was anything other than convenience.

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Post by AnOscelot »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #185
AnOscelot wrote: post #126

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I completely understand that. But it's a term he used for himself, and I think it's funny to semi-accurately (not in terms of actual definition but in terms of someone's self-description) label a member of a Republican administration as a Leninist. Though Bannon may be more accurate than he realizes about being a "Leninist" since he wants his faction to be the vanguard party with power derived from the white working…

I think Bannon is an asshole and I wish he didn't have such a close position to the President. The only saving grace is that Trump is so arrogant, I don't think he will follow anything Bannon says that he already doesn't believe. But since when is he a neo-nazi? Breitbart.com is about as pro-Israel as you can get, and Breitbart himself was a Jew. Trump's daughter Ivanka is also a Jew, as is her husband, who is now an…

There's evidence Bannon has been the chief author behind some of the recent executive orders. Especially the immigration order. Trump is arrogant but he's very easily influenced. And I'm not convinced he even understands what he is signing.

His antisemitism has been well documented. How he gets along with Kushner and Ivanka, I have no idea. I suspect they don't get along at all. There will plenty of books on Trump's Team of Rivals, though probably much less glowing than for Lincoln's similar team.

One reference for Bannon's antisemitism: http://www.timesofisrael.com/stephen-bannon-5-things-jews-ne...

Speaking of which: I also wouldn't be surprised if Bannon is behind Trump's recent Holocaust statement in which Jews aren't mentioned at all.

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Post by MichaelBurge »

tptacek wrote: post #179
MichaelBurge wrote: post #156

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> an informal, non-confirmable role, created to house someone who stood a decent chance of washing out of Senate confirmation This is a good argument. Many of these White House roles need to be confirmed; even if they are mostly advisory, because the law assumes that the President's advisors influence his decisions. If people want to say "Steve Bannon needs to be confirmed by the Senate", that's something I could pro…

I'm having a hard time understanding the argument you try to make as you confirm all the arguments your selected opponents are making. "It only lasts for 90 days" is a rebuttal, but it's an awfully weak one to hang your entire rhetorical outfit on.

The only part I actually agree with is that people holding green cards shouldn't be stopped from traveling. They've gone through extensive vetting already. The administration should intervene immediately to stop applying it in those cases, but I agree with the rest of the order. I think Sec. 3 (c) is the part of the order that covers this?

The rest of the order is partially fulfilling his campaign promises, and the broad idea is what's expected of him.

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Post by 551199 »

tacomonstrous wrote: post #196
jakeogh wrote: post #190

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The top 6 countries [1] with the highest Muslim populations are not (temp) banned, yet somehow it's a "Muslim Ban". [1] http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/muslims/pf_15-04-02_proje...

This is semantics. It was imposed with the intention of being a Muslim ban, but with plausible deniability. See Giuliani's comments here: http://nypost.com/2017/01/29/trump-asked-me-how-to-legally-c...

DHS picked the countries to ban when Obama was still the President[0]. I'm being flagged for stating the inconvenient truth that this isn't 'muslim ban'. Most muslim countries aren't even affected.

[0]https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/dhs-announces-further-tr...

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Post by benchaney »

couchand wrote: post #207
benchaney wrote: post #180

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Come on. Trump is doing lots of bad things, but if he weren't people would still be striking. The largest protest in American history happened before he even took office. Let's not pretend that people's emotions are less of a driving factor than the facts. Get over yourself.

Or maybe you should "get over yourself". If you care so much for the facts perhaps you should make sure to get them right. I suppose you're referring to the Women's March, which took place the day after Trump assumed office. And it's remarkable if your claim is that without Trump's Muslim Ban there would still be protests at JFK this weekend. Are you really arguing that?

It is interesting that you say that, because I read about that protest in the Friday paper (from the 20th). The paper of course became available many hours before Trump was sworn in. Stop pretending that it was a reaction to anything he did in office.

I don't know exactly how different protests would have played out if Trump took different actions in office, but it is overwhelmingly obvious that the protests are the result of emotion, not facts.

Also, you seem to be confused about the phrase "get over yourself" means. It targets self importance such as "be better please", it makes no sense whatsoever as a response to my comment.

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Post by concinds »

facetube wrote: post #150
anjc wrote: post #139

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My point is that corporations don't start product development for even a bar of candy without extensive market segmentation and psychological profiling. This is completely run of the mill stuff in this day and age, and you can be certain that every major party in the western world does the exact same thing. OP is presenting it as if it's an unusual affront to democracy. It's extremely disingenuous or extremely ignora…

It is an unusual affront to democracy. Democracy depends upon a well-informaed public making rational decisions. It cannot and should not be gamed by for-profit "market makers" at the expense of the American taxpayer and the American people.

It may be an affront to democracy, but it's absolutely inevitable, and both sides are doing it; thus you can argue they're cancelling each other out.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/509026/how-obamas-team-us...

All this is, is a refinement of what politicians always did. Micro-targeting based on personality traits is just the natural evolution of the tradition of pandering to voters. Quantitative change, not qualitative.

In addition, Obama, Clinton and Trump all employed or used persuasion experts to help their campaigns (Cialdini for the former two, and Trump for himself). This is absolutely unavoidable, and again no qualitative difference between persuasion experts and the traditional PR consultants or speech writers.

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Post by tacomonstrous »

551199 wrote: post #215
tacomonstrous wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is semantics. It was imposed with the intention of being a Muslim ban, but with plausible deniability. See Giuliani's comments here: http://nypost.com/2017/01/29/trump-asked-me-how-to-legally-c...

DHS picked the countries to ban when Obama was still the President[0]. I'm being flagged for stating the inconvenient truth that this isn't 'muslim ban'. Most muslim countries aren't even affected. [0] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/dhs-announces-further-tr...

Are you saying that Giuliani is lying?

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Post by jy1 »

throwawaybeta wrote: post #210
israeli77 wrote: post #131

Lyft operates in Malaysia, where Israelis are banned from entering unless they get a letter of approval from the Ministry of Home Affairs, which is nearly impossible for the average Israeli. I'm curious if Lyft has any qualms about operating in Malaysia? I understand their disgust with Trump's action but I do hope they're consistent with their views.

To clarify, lyft does not operate outside of the states. They partner with Grab and DiDi. For lyft to stay consistent with their views, they'd have to cease partnership with Grab. With the claimed $1MM donation they paint a positive picture for us(fellow HN users reactions show they are more likely to use lyft, lyft will thus earn off us), but it would simply be loss of potential revenue in the case of Malaysia.

Try placing your lyft pin in Kuala Lumpur airport.

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Post by [deleted] »

throwawaybeta wrote: post #210
israeli77 wrote: post #131

Lyft operates in Malaysia, where Israelis are banned from entering unless they get a letter of approval from the Ministry of Home Affairs, which is nearly impossible for the average Israeli. I'm curious if Lyft has any qualms about operating in Malaysia? I understand their disgust with Trump's action but I do hope they're consistent with their views.

To clarify, lyft does not operate outside of the states. They partner with Grab and DiDi. For lyft to stay consistent with their views, they'd have to cease partnership with Grab. With the claimed $1MM donation they paint a positive picture for us(fellow HN users reactions show they are more likely to use lyft, lyft will thus earn off us), but it would simply be loss of potential revenue in the case of Malaysia.

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