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What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)

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Post by Retric »

Naritai wrote: post #24
BeetleB wrote: post #22

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>None of this justifies discriminating against Asian-American students, which is truly unjust, and shouldn't be confused for justifiable discrimination. I keep hearing this (primarily from Asian Americans who feel they didn't get into their preferred top N school), and yet they never provide evidence to support it. They give me reason and logic , but no evidence. It is trivially easy to find counterexamples to all th…

Did you look at the 3 links provided above? To quote from [3]: "They find that being Asian is the equivalent of a 140 point score penalty on your SAT when applying to top private universities. For example, a white student that scored 1360 on the SATs would be on equal footing with an Asian student that scored 1500."

On it's own SAT scores mean little to these schools. So, finding it does not correlate with admissions does not actually demonstrate discrimination from the school.

The reality is they accept far more students from 'prep' schools than average and those prep schools don't have the same ratio of Asians as the Ivy applicants. ex: Harvard get's ~17 percent of it's students from New England even though less than 5% of the US population is from New England.

PS: There is also likely an applicant bias where Asians may be culturally more likely to apply when outside of these feeder schools.

Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)

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Post by United857 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #19
crispyambulance wrote: post #10

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Admissions try to get a well-rounded student body rather than many well-rounded students but the Asian-American "tiger-mom" phenomena is not a joke for elite college admissions officers. They really do see large numbers of what are known (in derogatory terms) as Asian-clones: 4.0 GPA, violin or piano skills, and no authentic detectable motivation other than getting high grades for the purpose of becoming a doctor or…

So? If the 1000 best candidates are Asian then you should admit the 1000 Asians. I can see giving extra help to historically marginalized races at the expense of whites, but why ding Asians? They weren't responsible for racism in the US. They weren't the ones stealing resources from other people. Do correct me if I'm wrong but your post seems to amount to "a lot of Asians work hard and are smart, so let's have a quot…

I'm in favor of affirmative action and ensuring diversity. However, it should be based on overall life circumstances, not explicitly on race.

E.g. How would you categorize someone who's half black, half Asian?

Also, Asian-Americans being the model minority are far from universal. Many (especially those from Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos) are the children of refugees and grow up facing significant hardship.

Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)

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titomc wrote: post #20

Part deux: What Asian students go through once they get their degrees from American Universities. They go down the rabbit hole of America's broken immigration system, starting with OPT visa, then H1B (read lottery luck, not based on skills) & then the country based quota for green card currently 7 to 9 years for EB2 categories for India & China. Did I forgot to mention the exorbitant out of state tuition fees and the…

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Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)

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Post by xyzzy4 »

titomc wrote: post #20

Part deux: What Asian students go through once they get their degrees from American Universities. They go down the rabbit hole of America's broken immigration system, starting with OPT visa, then H1B (read lottery luck, not based on skills) & then the country based quota for green card currently 7 to 9 years for EB2 categories for India & China. Did I forgot to mention the exorbitant out of state tuition fees and the…

You don't have to pay back loans if you don't return to your home country.

Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)

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Post by Flammy »

xyzzy4 wrote: post #44
titomc wrote: post #20

Part deux: What Asian students go through once they get their degrees from American Universities. They go down the rabbit hole of America's broken immigration system, starting with OPT visa, then H1B (read lottery luck, not based on skills) & then the country based quota for green card currently 7 to 9 years for EB2 categories for India & China. Did I forgot to mention the exorbitant out of state tuition fees and the…

You don't have to pay back loans if you don't return to your home country.

The lenders are not idiots. I'm very sure they either are signed by their families or they have other ways of enforcing collection.

Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)

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Post by wolfgke »

startupdiscuss wrote: post #36
crispyambulance wrote: post #10

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Admissions try to get a well-rounded student body rather than many well-rounded students but the Asian-American "tiger-mom" phenomena is not a joke for elite college admissions officers. They really do see large numbers of what are known (in derogatory terms) as Asian-clones: 4.0 GPA, violin or piano skills, and no authentic detectable motivation other than getting high grades for the purpose of becoming a doctor or…

And that's who I want representing me in court and diagnosing my medical conditions!

Why don't you want people who know the laws/judgments inside out to represent you in court? The same holds for inside-out knowledge of diseases and their treatments.

Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)

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Post by pm90 »

witty_username wrote: post #34
hatmatrix wrote: post #25

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But what is "best"? While their achievements are commendable, admitting all of them will lead to a homogeneous student body and presumably not the best outcome for the institution, its graduates, or society.

What is wrong with a homogeneous student body? Forced diversity is AS racist as discrimination against blacks.

I believe the argument is that diversity promotes creativity and makes students more open minded, since they are exposed to people (and cultures) very different from their own. Having attended both US and Indian universities, I have to say I loved the diversity at the US university; loved the opportunity to know, understand and work with people from all over the world and get to know about them and their way of life.

Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)

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Post by startupdiscuss »

wolfgke wrote: post #46
startupdiscuss wrote: post #36

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And that's who I want representing me in court and diagnosing my medical conditions!

Why don't you want people who know the laws/judgments inside out to represent you in court? The same holds for inside-out knowledge of diseases and their treatments.

That is who I want representing me.

You might have misunderstood my statement.

Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)

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Post by wolfgke »

startupdiscuss wrote: post #48
wolfgke wrote: post #46

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Why don't you want people who know the laws/judgments inside out to represent you in court? The same holds for inside-out knowledge of diseases and their treatments.

That is who I want representing me. You might have misunderstood my statement.

OK, then I mistakenly read sarcasm into your comment. :-(

Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)

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Post by oblio »

EliRivers wrote: post #18
munin wrote: post #15

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> and no authentic detectable motivation They're 18. What do you want? What authentic motivation did you have when you were 18?

I had a real, authentic interest in my chosen degree subject. I really, genuinely wanted to know all about it. I didn't ever want a job (and I still don't want one). I really, authentically wanted to be good at it for no other purpose than the pleasure of being able to fluidly understand it and play with it.

You must be either rich or have a very frugal, possibly isolated lifestyle. Most people don't fit either of those categories.
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