U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination

Post by facepalm » Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 12:39 AM UTC

lucisferre wrote: post #133

freditup wrote: post #123

That means we so far have: * Palantir sued for not hiring enough Asians [0] * Google sued for not turning over compensation data [1] * Oracle sued for hiring too many Asians While it's possible that discriminatory processes have happened at all these places, it seems these lawsuits can be targeted at whoever one wishes. It's always going to be possible to find data that indicates discrimination, unless companies hire…

Not saying that I agree with quotas as a solution to problems like discriminatory biases in hiring, but how is a quota system "discriminatory"? What race, sex or age group is discriminated against by a requirement that appropriate proportions of those demographics make up the companies employees? (Heck in most cases quotas are simply a low bar, they are not even proportional to the population demographics.) I can und…

Post by sp332 » Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 12:41 AM UTC

obstacle1 wrote: post #168

sp332 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Specifically, OFCCP found gross disparities in pay even after controlling for job title, full-time status, exempt status, global career level, job specialty, estimated prior work experience, and company tenure." https://www.dol.gov/sites/default/files/newsroom/newsrelease...

So, controlling for a bunch of stuff that doesn't predict value provided to a company by an individual or an individual's level of skill.

Post by coredog64 » Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 12:42 AM UTC

pslam wrote: post #71

titomc wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" Most of the time it is just easier to hire Asian/Indian employees because they are readily available " - I doubt that. It's "easier" to hire because they "agree" to lower wages and its easier to retain them, because their visa status is tied to the employer. The employers have H1B workers on a leash. The process of hiring an H1B worker in short. - Hire an immigration lawyer. - Post an LCA. - Apply petition to USCIS…

You're missing the part where the employer is required to: - Post representative salary data, including the last few (5?) hires to this position. - Publish the job position locally, so it can be filled by local workers preferentially, and then only by H1B if unfilled. - Ensure the worker is initially paid a salary similar to other existing hires in that position. I don't understand how people make the leap that H1B i…

Post by whataretensors » Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 12:46 AM UTC

sbov wrote: post #11

nanistheonlyist wrote: post #8

The assumption underlying these "disparate impact" cases is that all races or genders have exactly the same distribution of skills. The problem is every time this assumption is tested it turns out to be false. https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

Did you even read the first sentence? > The U.S. Labor Department has sued Oracle America Inc, alleging that the technology company systematically paid its white, male employees more than other workers and unlawfully favored Asian applicants in its recruiting and hiring efforts. If you want to explain Asians being smarter as to why they are hired more I wouldn't expect them to ALSO pay white people more. Oracle is na…

Post by blazespin » Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 12:50 AM UTC

jiggliemon wrote: post #112

I feel that I can provide a small yet worthy piece of context. We have a difficult time interviewing ANYBODY for our open reqs. And like every other technology company I've ever worked at; a majority of resume's I've reviewed had Indian names. This seems especially weighted given how the Oracle brand and database are still desirable properties and tech in India. Your average white dude in Silicon Valley may have a fa…