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U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination

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Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination

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Post by frandroid »

ftrflyr wrote: post #77
_m8fo wrote: post #15

Couple points: First, this is where the meat is: https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/ofccp/ofccp20170118-0 Second: "...Oracle nevertheless preferred Asian applications over other qualified applicants in the Professional Technical 1, Individual Contributor Job group and in the Product Development job group at statistically significant rates." [1] [1] https://www.dol.gov/sites/default/files/newsroom/newsrelease... --…

One reason why I believe it won't matter is such: Companies require a real name. Most require social profiles or a website. If you refuse to give your real name and supporting materials, you will be passed over.

Of course you don't submit an anonymous résumé; companies handle this. HR departments can have specific people outside the selection process hold the table matching candidates' realnames and candidate ID #.

Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination

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Post by jiggliemon »

I feel that I can provide a small yet worthy piece of context. We have a difficult time interviewing ANYBODY for our open reqs. And like every other technology company I've ever worked at; a majority of resume's I've reviewed had Indian names. This seems especially weighted given how the Oracle brand and database are still desirable properties and tech in India.

Your average white dude in Silicon Valley may have a fair to negative view of Oracle. While (from my experience) your average Indian dude's opinion of Oracle is more favorable.

Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination

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Post by frandroid »

crooked-v wrote: post #28
gozur88 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And also not believable. The idea Oracle had a system that paid white guys more because they were white guys isn't credible without more than just salary evidence.

Systematic discrimination is not the same as literally having a process to explicitly pay non-white people less.

I thought that was the very definition. Replace "process" with "system"...

Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination

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conanbatt wrote: post #57
CodeSheikh wrote: post #3

"Oracle was far more likely to hire Asian applicants - particularly Indian people - for product development and technical roles than black, white or Hispanic job seekers." Can the DOL back up this claim with salary data to see if Oracle is abusing the H1-B visa system by purposefully keeping wages low? Most of the time it is just easier to hire Asian/Indian employees because they are readily available (larger proport…

> abusing the H1-B visa system by purposefully keeping wages low? I hate this argument. All immigration has a first-degree effect of lowering wages, because it increases the supply of labor. Believe me, foreigners do not like H1Bs, its a piece of shit, and would wish for free passage or as easy as it can be. And if that happened, that would lower wages of everyone, and raise theirs. Reneging that h1b allows to hire c…

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Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination

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Post by jonathankoren »

ftrflyr wrote: post #77
_m8fo wrote: post #15

Couple points: First, this is where the meat is: https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/ofccp/ofccp20170118-0 Second: "...Oracle nevertheless preferred Asian applications over other qualified applicants in the Professional Technical 1, Individual Contributor Job group and in the Product Development job group at statistically significant rates." [1] [1] https://www.dol.gov/sites/default/files/newsroom/newsrelease... --…

One reason why I believe it won't matter is such: Companies require a real name. Most require social profiles or a website. If you refuse to give your real name and supporting materials, you will be passed over.

I've never heard of a company that requires a social network profile or website.

Technically, they don't even need a name or any other personal info until they're ready to make an offer.

Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination

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Post by [deleted] »

mooooooooo wrote: post #109
sbov wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the first sentence? > The U.S. Labor Department has sued Oracle America Inc, alleging that the technology company systematically paid its white, male employees more than other workers and unlawfully favored Asian applicants in its recruiting and hiring efforts. If you want to explain Asians being smarter as to why they are hired more I wouldn't expect them to ALSO pay white people more. Oracle is na…

The pay difference can be explained by Indian nationals not demanding as high a wage to do the same work. Is it morally necessary for a company to pay groups of workers the same, even if they would accept different wages? Perhaps.

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Re: U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination

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Post by frandroid »

titomc wrote: post #2

Why am I not surprised ? Yet another H1B discrimination story to rant about. (though the article do not say anything about the 'Indian' people's visa status, isn't it obvious ?)

If 10% of Oracle's H1B hires are white migrant workers, and they're paid better, then the lines can be blurred since the H1B can be the vector for discrimination within a group.
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