It most definitely is and it takes a very starry eyed sort of person to expect otherwise. The idea that 20 or so different people with different languages, religions, mores, histories, frames of reference, economies could somehow achieve monetary or much less political union under the rule of an un-elected and un-accountable bureaucracy of "commissioners" who rule by means of "directives" (you couldn't make it sound…
Is Europe Disintegrating?
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Re: Is Europe Disintegrating?
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you agree that it is by no means mandatory? Also, Denmark?
No, I don't. All the non euro countries are working to be admitted, because going forward is the only way. Brits and Dansk are crazy people, who cares what they do. edit: all the non euro countries from the eastern block signed to adopt euro in the future.
Now you are just making things up.
Edit: then you should rethink using Wikipedia as your source because that is not accurate. EU cannot force countries to join new treaties this way. The EC may really really want to, but they have no legal right to.
Re: Is Europe Disintegrating?
#103It most definitely is and it takes a very starry eyed sort of person to expect otherwise. The idea that 20 or so different people with different languages, religions, mores, histories, frames of reference, economies could somehow achieve monetary or much less political union under the rule of an un-elected and un-accountable bureaucracy of "commissioners" who rule by means of "directives" (you couldn't make it sound…
> un-elected and un-accountable bureaucracy So tell me, what is this? http://i.imgur.com/zhVYPwN.jpg And what is this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhafgcPeXes Or is it maybe actually elected, actually held accountable? > The idea that 20 or so different people with different languages, religions, mores, histories, frames of reference, economies could somehow achieve monetary or much less political union Aha, so h…
Additionally, crossing the Atlantic served as a filter to select only those people that were truly desirous of becoming Americans. Disgruntled EU voters have the nasty habit of lingering around.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that it's exceptionally difficult to have 1/ that functions well without 2/ The Euro was designed as a bulwark against currency speculators and people trying to arbitrage between imbalances in the different European economies.
Not difficult at all, many EU countries have decided to stay outside the euro zone. They are doing just fine.
Re: Is Europe Disintegrating?
#105Based on my recent experience of visiting Europe - yes, it is. I stayed mostly in France, was there during the Brexit vote, and everyone I spoke to was pretty keen on exiting the EU, voting right-wing, and seeing it all crumble. They also have several separatist movements, especially in Brittany, which seems to be more anti-EU than anti-French...
Question: what is the primary grievance against the EU?
Agriculture. Again, low cost producers undercutting domestic producers.
And there's legit questions to be had about monetary policy (or the lack thereof), as well as EU courts undermining local law.
Re: Is Europe Disintegrating?
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
> un-elected and un-accountable bureaucracy So tell me, what is this? http://i.imgur.com/zhVYPwN.jpg And what is this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhafgcPeXes Or is it maybe actually elected, actually held accountable? > The idea that 20 or so different people with different languages, religions, mores, histories, frames of reference, economies could somehow achieve monetary or much less political union Aha, so h…
By the time it was formed, not even half of the people spoke a common language Are you counting Native Americans? I've never heard this before.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope, EU countries have always had the possibility of border control (with some limitations). Its just that not having border control is cheaper and allowing people work across birders is good for the economy. So basically until late 2016 the pros outweighed the cons.
This isn't true... Poland has decided to close its borders to immigrants, and the EU wants to fine them 250k an immigrant for it. The whole reason Brexit happened is because Britain wants to implement border controls. Edit, Proof: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/03/eu-to-fine-countr... Just get rid of these fines, and quotas, and give people control of their borders back.
Blaming EU for your own officials incompetency is soooo uk-2016
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#108The only way it could be saved would be to jettison the euro or at least the convergence criteria. Germany doesn't seem keen on a succesful EU, perhaps there's some underlaying anger over those last couple of attemps to ruin Europe. One can only guess.
Re: Is Europe Disintegrating?
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you agree that it is by no means mandatory? Also, Denmark?
No, I don't. All the non euro countries are working to be admitted, because going forward is the only way. Brits and Dansk are crazy people, who cares what they do. edit: all the non euro countries from the eastern block signed to adopt euro in the future.
No, I'm not, it's part of the treaties.
Can't you lookup things on Wikipedia?
Is it to hard for you?
"The other nine members of the European Union continue to use their own national currencies, although most of them are obliged to adopt the euro in future."
Re: Is Europe Disintegrating?
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know about primary, but I think a big one is the EU forcing countries to meet a quota of "refugee" immigration. Poland for example is refusing to accept these immigrants and paying a pretty big fine for each one they turn away [1]. Other countries like France and Germany are buckling to the pressure from the EU and accepting them, and we've all seen how well that has worked out for them. So I think not having…
The interesting thing here that it's not "EU vs EU member countries" - members do come up with, and vote on ideas. It's not like evil EU parliament said that everyone has to take immigrants, so everyone now has to and that's it. The move came about because of the flood of immigrants coming to Italy and Greece, mostly - and serious concern that neither one of those two countries can deal with the problem on their own.…
What if one EU country wants to do something else? Can't different EU countries just choose to do their own thing, and be ruled by their OWN population, instead of people in Germany deciding what happens to people in Poland?
If greece doesn't want to deal with these immigrants then THEY should chose to close their own borders.
Self determination is the fundamental issue at stake here.
The EU IS telling countries what to do! People in Germany are deciding what happens to people in Poland!