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Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by majormajor »

pvg wrote: post #64
zzzcpan wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how little innovation there is in the browser space today That was the purpose of Chrome, I believe, to monopolize the browser market and make it very expensive for others to compete and innovate google's business model out of existence.

What does that even mean? They're sparing a potential competitor the entire R&D cost of a modern, cross-platform browser. I don't think Google developed Chrome out of sheer altruism but it's probably cheaper now to compete in the browser space than ever. It's unlikely to be profitable, though, in itself.

Is that thanks to Google or thanks to Apple?

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by KevanM »

StavrosK wrote: post #4

This made me realize how little innovation there is in the browser space today. Opera used to innovate extensively before the sale, and it looks like at least they're trying to keep doing it. I'm also hopeful for Vivaldi. Chrome and Firefox are completely stagnant, unfortunately.

Whenever I've jumped ship, I've jumped to a simpler or faster version because the advances (at a perceived performance loss, or further UI changes).

Opera used to be really fast, but then it started to come with lots of other useless tools (email, bittorrent client tool) and try to be an internet package

So I jumped to Firefox which was simpler and Thunderbird was a separate client. Then that started to be clunkier, so I tried Chrome, which was faster.

Much like laptop getting thinner, the gains are in the wrong area.

What I want is a fast, secure browser that can remember history and bookmarks - everything else can be an add-on.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by satysin »

This is what Microsoft Edge should be doing (innovating) and not just trying to cram in Microsoft services like OneNote. Honestly Edge is still such an awful browser and it is the default browser in Windows 10 which has been out for 18+ months now. Shocking.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by satysin »

tomc1985 wrote: post #117
snowwolf wrote: post #38

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Ahh, the paradox of being the market leader. Remember when Chrome tried to innovate with how we use bookmarks? [1] People cry out for innovation, but then freak out when said innovation happens. This is why disrupters are so successful - they can do something crazy and people will try it out and think - this is amazing. Because the mindset/psychology is that this is something new. But the market leader implements exa…

Why does it have to be constantly changing? What some see as stagnant, others see as completeness Honestly I don't want new features on Chrome or Firefox. They are fine how they are -- though I wish Mozilla would take out the value-added services they just had to add. Release security updates and that's it

With that attitude we would never see any progress with software though.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by pvg »

gcp wrote: post #153
pvg wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that even mean? They're sparing a potential competitor the entire R&D cost of a modern, cross-platform browser. I don't think Google developed Chrome out of sheer altruism but it's probably cheaper now to compete in the browser space than ever. It's unlikely to be profitable, though, in itself.

it's probably cheaper now to compete in the browser space than ever In the browser space, yes. In the API and platform space, no. Every other browser has already resigned to just "do what Chrome does" instead of expecting Chrome to confirm to the standards as written. Do you not see how this is a huge hedge for Google? You control the platform and APIs, you rule the world. Microsoft used to understand this very well.…

Do you not see how this is a huge hedge for Google? You control the platform and APIs, you rule the world.

Why do you think I don't see that?

On top of that, if you have to compete in the browser space by forking off of Google's rendering engine and web platform, you're always going to be behind.

Why? That's certainly not what happened with Google's browser.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by pvg »

majormajor wrote: post #161
pvg wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that even mean? They're sparing a potential competitor the entire R&D cost of a modern, cross-platform browser. I don't think Google developed Chrome out of sheer altruism but it's probably cheaper now to compete in the browser space than ever. It's unlikely to be profitable, though, in itself.

Is that thanks to Google or thanks to Apple?

I think a conversation about innovation and competition in the browser space is interesting. A conversation about apportioning gratitude, not at all.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by hackuser »

MarcScott wrote: post #122

I just want a browser that I can use without taking my fingers away from the home row, but I guess I'm in the minority of users.

This Firefox add-on helps with one such issue, navigating tabs:

* Single Key Tab Switch

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/single-key-ta...

I configured mine to use Vim navigation keys (h for left, l for right). As long as the focus isn't in an input field, it works great.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by FlorianRappl »

satysin wrote: post #163

This is what Microsoft Edge should be doing (innovating) and not just trying to cram in Microsoft services like OneNote. Honestly Edge is still such an awful browser and it is the default browser in Windows 10 which has been out for 18+ months now. Shocking.

I wouldn't call it horrible, but starting from their promised solution (IE without all the crap; lightweight + innovative) not much is delivered. The browser feels buggy and slow and I do not see much innovation.
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