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Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by zzzcpan »

StavrosK wrote: post #4

This made me realize how little innovation there is in the browser space today. Opera used to innovate extensively before the sale, and it looks like at least they're trying to keep doing it. I'm also hopeful for Vivaldi. Chrome and Firefox are completely stagnant, unfortunately.

> how little innovation there is in the browser space today

That was the purpose of Chrome, I believe, to monopolize the browser market and make it very expensive for others to compete and innovate google's business model out of existence.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by gcp »

StavrosK wrote: post #4

This made me realize how little innovation there is in the browser space today. Opera used to innovate extensively before the sale, and it looks like at least they're trying to keep doing it. I'm also hopeful for Vivaldi. Chrome and Firefox are completely stagnant, unfortunately.

Do you think users necessarily want much innovation in browsers?

What do you think would happen if Google changed the Chrome UI (the little there is) around?

Non-user visible innovation in browsers does happen BTW. But you dont't see it :-)

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by zzzcpan »

gcp wrote: post #52
StavrosK wrote: post #4

This made me realize how little innovation there is in the browser space today. Opera used to innovate extensively before the sale, and it looks like at least they're trying to keep doing it. I'm also hopeful for Vivaldi. Chrome and Firefox are completely stagnant, unfortunately.

Do you think users necessarily want much innovation in browsers? What do you think would happen if Google changed the Chrome UI (the little there is) around? Non-user visible innovation in browsers does happen BTW. But you dont't see it :-)

Nothing would happen, as long as they have UX professional on the team, who won't let them do stupid things like removing a backspace keyboard shortcut and not leaving options for those who got used to them.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by gcp »

zzzcpan wrote: post #54
gcp wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think users necessarily want much innovation in browsers? What do you think would happen if Google changed the Chrome UI (the little there is) around? Non-user visible innovation in browsers does happen BTW. But you dont't see it :-)

Nothing would happen, as long as they have UX professional on the team, who won't let them do stupid things like removing a backspace keyboard shortcut and not leaving options for those who got used to them.

These are indeed all things that have had great impacts on the respective browsers' marketshare. /s

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by StavrosK »

gcp wrote: post #50
StavrosK wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you care what the rendering engine is? It's literally the least exciting part. I never said "man, I wish this rendering engine ran different code". I've frequently said "I wish mouse gestures worked as well as Opera's did". Fennec is pretty great, yes. I've been using Firefox on ideological grounds for years, and it's getting harder and harder. I currently have a tab open that will just keep loading forever ev…

Can you file a bug on this with the URL causing the problem? The tab not loading fully isn't necessarily our fault, but of course it shouldn't use 100% while doing that. The rendering engine is fairly important for apparent speed and smoothness (e.g. with scrolling). These are issues where Firefox was traditionally not rated highly.

Done, thanks.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by 0x4a42 »

jason_slack wrote: post #42
pawadu wrote: post #6

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Opera moved to webkit in 2012 (2013?) and then to Blink soon after googles announcement.

does this mean they are using webkit, chrome and mozilla under the hood for rendering pages? All 3? What is the benefit? If a page is designed for Chrome then Opera could render it as intended and not how Webkit might render it, which could be wrong?

Safari uses Webkit (a fork of KHTML), Opera and Chrome use Blink (a fork of Webkit), Firefox uses Gecko.

Except on iOS where all browsers are forced to use a crippled version of Webkit.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by pawadu »

StavrosK wrote: post #32
V-2 wrote: post #30

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I used Vivaldi for a couple of months. Plenty of goodness, and one major showstopper: it's slow. It's so very sluggish and slow. Something as trivial as tearing a tab off a window would take several seconds. Switching between tabs was laggy as well, once there were many. Every other browser felt blazingly fast after that. That's a pity since this type of issues usually indicates some deeper design problems that won't…

Really? I'm on Vivaldi right now and everything is instant. I'm using it over Firefox just because how much faster it is. It's as fast as Chrome for me.

Vivaldi does not feel as fast as the old opera.

On some pages browsing would slow down to a halt while CPU usage would spike to 100%.

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