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Re: Opera Neon concept browser

#41
I was beginning to like Opera (again) right before it got acquired by a Chinese company. But then I saw how they ruined the Opera Max [1] app, and so I expect the same to happen to the Opera browser in the near future.

[1] http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10/31/opera-max-turns-nagw...

If you want to experiment with a new browser that also uses Chromium and has native ad-blocking, try Brave:

https://brave.com/

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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post #2

For anyone hoping for a Presto revival it's Chrome under the hood: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_12_2) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/53.0.2785.21 Safari/537.36 MMS/1.0.2459.0

Opera moved to webkit in 2012 (2013?) and then to Blink soon after googles announcement.

does this mean they are using webkit, chrome and mozilla under the hood for rendering pages? All 3?

What is the benefit? If a page is designed for Chrome then Opera could render it as intended and not how Webkit might render it, which could be wrong?

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

#43
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at the page with $OS it looks like there is only a version for $OS available. I can see how that might lead to headlines like this. I also initially assumed it was a mac-only app.

In Chrome on Linux it reads "Opera Neon concept browser for Windows"

... with no mention of Mac. So the point is still valid.

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This made me realize how little innovation there is in the browser space today. Opera used to innovate extensively before the sale, and it looks like at least they're trying to keep doing it. I'm also hopeful for Vivaldi. Chrome and Firefox are completely stagnant, unfortunately.

Chrome is semi-stagnant because it's dominant, which means not much drive to change. I wouldn't call Firefox stagnant. It's just got E10S (multiprocess). The Quantum project promises to gradually improve both speed and stability (and consequentially security). They are working on replacing the traditional Firefox extensions archetecture with WebExtensions. Fennec (Firefox on Android) is an underappreciated gem. I'm p…

Why do you care what the rendering engine is? It's literally the least exciting part. I never said "man, I wish this rendering engine ran different code". I've frequently said "I wish mouse gestures worked as well as Opera's did".

Fennec is pretty great, yes. I've been using Firefox on ideological grounds for years, and it's getting harder and harder. I currently have a tab open that will just keep loading forever every time I load the browser, taking 100% CPU, until I go and press escape to stop loading. It's slow as hell and frequently freezes.

Ideology can only take you so far if the product is a piece of crap.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

#46

I am generally pretty hesitant to change browsers, but I actually really like the feel of this. It's super clean and the keyboard shortcuts are the same as what I'm used to so it seems like it should be an easy switch. Definitely something worth looking at. I'll probably try this out over the next few weeks. My only gripe so far is that when I click command+w, I want it to default to closing the window when I am on t…

One thing that bites me occasionally with the current browsers is when I'm closing a lot of tabs with cmd-w but go too far and accidentally close the last one and loose the window. Windows close with cmd shift w so this behavior makes sense to me.

I like your attention to those shortcuts though I think we have similar standards:)

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

#48
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opera moved to webkit in 2012 (2013?) and then to Blink soon after googles announcement.

does this mean they are using webkit, chrome and mozilla under the hood for rendering pages? All 3? What is the benefit? If a page is designed for Chrome then Opera could render it as intended and not how Webkit might render it, which could be wrong?

No. Their rendering engine is pure Blink. All browsers' user agent's contain mentions of more or less every browser that ever existed for historical compatibility reasons.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome is semi-stagnant because it's dominant, which means not much drive to change. I wouldn't call Firefox stagnant. It's just got E10S (multiprocess). The Quantum project promises to gradually improve both speed and stability (and consequentially security). They are working on replacing the traditional Firefox extensions archetecture with WebExtensions. Fennec (Firefox on Android) is an underappreciated gem. I'm p…

Why do you care what the rendering engine is? It's literally the least exciting part. I never said "man, I wish this rendering engine ran different code". I've frequently said "I wish mouse gestures worked as well as Opera's did". Fennec is pretty great, yes. I've been using Firefox on ideological grounds for years, and it's getting harder and harder. I currently have a tab open that will just keep loading forever ev…

Can you file a bug on this with the URL causing the problem? The tab not loading fully isn't necessarily our fault, but of course it shouldn't use 100% while doing that.

The rendering engine is fairly important for apparent speed and smoothness (e.g. with scrolling). These are issues where Firefox was traditionally not rated highly.

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