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Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by ousta » Tue, Jan 10, 2017, 12:49 PM UTC

shams93 wrote: post #245

geebee wrote: post #85

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I'm not sure that I'm sympathetic to employers who want to pay less. Keep in mind, the US takes in well over a million immigrants a year, and has a huge internal workforce. The H1B was created to help employers find critical and highly skilled workers that are in desperately short supply in the US. "Oh, but we can't afford to pay them a lot of money, that's not fair!" isn't the sort of argument that tends to evoke mu…

Its stupid to begin with, if you can't fill a skill, train somebody, the federal government does this for gigs that require security clearance. You never need to go outside the country for talent. The h1b program enables age discrimination, once you hit 40 you are pushed out for young immigrant labor, the position was occupied but they want to save money so out you go to poverty just when the IRS was counting on you…

"You never need to go outside the country for talent" The simple fact that you are selling on a global market means that YOU DO need outside talents...

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by ousta » Tue, Jan 10, 2017, 12:51 PM UTC

politician wrote: post #258

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Your xenophobia is really sad. The US won't turn into Venezuela, Brazil or China because immigrants come here. Additionally, jobs won't go to zero because more population creates more demand for goods and services which necessitates more jobs. This same absurd argument you're making was used to stoke fears about Irish and Italian immigrants in the past. Now we realize how stupid it was then. It's just as stupid now.

How many people do you think would take advantage of your opportunity? How quickly would we expect them to act?

isn't the US already taking advantage of middle east, europe and pretty much everyone its trading with? the dollar being the global money is enough a sign.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 10, 2017, 1:06 PM UTC

elevenfist wrote: post #236

vostok wrote: post #206

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> How high? Why is 100k a magic number? 100k isn't even a big deal in SF or NYC. While a high skilled scientist working in say, Corning, NY at Corning Corp or Niskayuna, NY at GE's research labs, 100k enables a king's life. Highly skilled workers do not receive cost of living adjustments. I've been recruited for jobs in low cost of living and high cost of living areas. The pay is the same in both when there is a true…

> Highly skilled workers do not receive cost of living adjustments. I've been recruited for jobs in low cost of living and high cost of living areas. The pay is the same in both when there is a true shortage of labor. Policy cannot be determined by anecdotes. > Company A wants to pay Engineer X $500k and Company B wants to pay Engineer Y $50k then clearly Company A has a greater need. Hardly a forgone conclusion, the…

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Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by suryacom » Tue, Jan 10, 2017, 1:17 PM UTC

ashwinaj wrote: post #263

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I have crossed 6 years on H1B. So, if I change my job, maximum visa extension I can get is for 3 years (provided my employer was kind enough to give me a copy of the I-140 petition). This is where it gets tricky. Within this 3 years I need to get a new PERM approved by the new employer. So, say I set aside 1 year for the new employer to get all the internal budgeting approvals and initiate my GC process. Then it take…

> Within this 3 years I need to get a new PERM approved by the new employer. I was able to transfer two jobs using the I140 from my first job. My case is clearly not an outlier. > Now, god forbid, if the PERM gets denied due to clerical error. There is not time left for another try. Pretty much pack-up and leave. No, you can use your old I140 to extend your H1B for another 3 years (when I changed jobs, that's what I…

>No, you can use your old I140 to extend your H1B for another 3 years

That is based on the _assumption_ the previous employer did not withdraw the old I-140. I wouldn't recommend that to any H1B visa holder.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by nishs » Tue, Jan 10, 2017, 1:36 PM UTC

whenwillitstop wrote: post #184

sunilkumarc wrote: post #176

Is this bill is passed, what does it mean for a person in India who wants to apply(from India) and get hired by a US company who has a very good skill set but doesn't have a master's degree?

It means you arent welcome

Be civil [0]. That was blunt, non-constructive, and perhaps mildly xenophobic.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by Retric » Tue, Jan 10, 2017, 1:52 PM UTC

denzil_correa wrote: post #310

vostok wrote: post #238

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> For example company B might not have the resources/revenue to outbid company A. If Company B doesn't have the resources to outbid Company A then we've decided, as a society, that whatever Company A is doing is more important that what Company B is doing. > Another counterexample of many for why an auction system is terrible: employee y could be a research scientist in industry contributing to the foundation of a ne…

> If Company B doesn't have the resources to outbid Company A then we've decided, as a society, that whatever Company A is doing is more important that what Company B is doing. The question being - has that been decided in a fair manner?

Capitalism is not about fair, it's about diminishing returns.

VC's don't have access to a significant chunk of US GDP. Sure, some things are over allocated, but Wall Street is limited to the amount of money invested by other people.

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Post by eeZah7Ux » Tue, Jan 10, 2017, 2:08 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #135

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"if the salary isn't really high..." How high? Why is 100k a magic number? 100k isn't even a big deal in SF or NYC. While a high skilled scientist working in say, Corning, NY at Corning Corp or Niskayuna, NY at GE's research labs, 100k enables a king's life. How would you adjust for experience? Perhaps a company sees immense potential and cultural fit in an employee and wants to groom them for future roles? The wages…

For 65,000 people and bidding based on salary, 300k sounds about right IMO. Think brain surgeons and the worlds best security experts not just DBA's.

Security experts are not paid like surgeons or developers. I wonder what you mean with "just" DBAs.

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Post by saiya-jin » Tue, Jan 10, 2017, 2:29 PM UTC

suryacom wrote: post #27

On one talks about the actual issue with the H1B. I'm a H1B holder from India, living and working in USA for past 10 years. The actual incentive for companies is that, an H1B holder from India has less rights, they cannot change job or even travel freely outside USA (for decades). That gives the employers full control of the employee. Any guess why companies only recruit from India and China? Because, the country bas…

A bit different topic - for somebody who spent last 10 years in US, your English is pretty bad. If staying in US is such a high priority to you, I suggest working on that part

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Post by ashwinaj » Tue, Jan 10, 2017, 2:32 PM UTC

suryacom wrote: post #334

ashwinaj wrote: post #263

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> Within this 3 years I need to get a new PERM approved by the new employer. I was able to transfer two jobs using the I140 from my first job. My case is clearly not an outlier. > Now, god forbid, if the PERM gets denied due to clerical error. There is not time left for another try. Pretty much pack-up and leave. No, you can use your old I140 to extend your H1B for another 3 years (when I changed jobs, that's what I…

>No, you can use your old I140 to extend your H1B for another 3 years That is based on the _assumption_ the previous employer did not withdraw the old I-140. I wouldn't recommend that to any H1B visa holder.

Yes it is based on an assumption you work for a _legitimate_ employer and not some shady consultant. I'll use your statement to prove that it's a fair assumption in the average case.

> So, say I set aside 1 year for the new employer to get all the internal budgeting approvals and initiate my GC process

On one hand, you claim that it takes a year for the employer to get your GC going. And now to withdraw it (which will include the same filing fee + lawyer fees - time spent= thousands of dollars) it takes them less than a month (or few months) to budget this?

No proper company would want to spend another penny on an outgoing employee. And this is a completely sane assumption. You can choose to disagree, in which case I'm sorry to say, you're paranoid.

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Post by saiya-jin » Tue, Jan 10, 2017, 2:41 PM UTC

usaphp wrote: post #315

throwaway2017ab wrote: post #277

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> aggressive attitude towards people whose country gave you job Am I not paying taxes just like everyone else ? So should I bow down my head just because I worked in some country ? I worked legally & sincerely and paid taxes. I will stop my aggression if I am given back the extra taxes that I paid which I have no use of being a temporary worker. Also remember that this is not your country. The country belongs to nati…

> "If you think you are smart. I challenge you, learn a foreign language(eg:Hindi), goto that country and try to compete with the native workers there, like I did. I learned English, got my Computer Science degree(very cheap) & I am competing with people like you. I will bet a million dollar that you don't have any other skills than being a keyboard warrior." I came to US from Russia when I was 18, by myself... It se…

well said, sir, people come to US mostly for cash in millions and then complain they are kept in check...

i understand there can be immigration frustrations, but let's get facts straight - a person who is coming from wealthy/relatively wealthy family in india (common folks there cannot afford good enough education to work even in call centrum and proper language courses - spent 6 months there, seen the place quite through), jumps on a plane, goes half around the world and expects to be treated like a king, just because he knows something that mililons other know too. Learning english is nothing to brag about, just basic literacy these days.

For comparison - I am eastern europe migrant in Switzerland, learning my 4th language, and I can tell you immigration is TOUGH here, plus tons of highly skilled competition in IT (which might be quite unique situation in whole world). Yet complaining is not the way to achieve anything - I came here willingly, want to integrate, so I accept the rules and don't complain.