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Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by ashwinaj »

throwaway2017ab wrote: post #226
ashwinaj wrote: post #54

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> they cannot change job Correction: You can change jobs, but the green card process needs to start again but you keep your priority date. EDIT: You can change jobs to another "similar" position i.e. the job responsibilities should be similar. You can't move from an individual contributer to a manager position for example. In this case, the green card application will have to be done again. > That gives the employers…

have you ever thought about yourself as a "risk taker", about getting a greencard ? in 70 years ? Maybe you might have already got it through the L1A loophole fake experience method or future GC abuse method. Do not measure everyone else with the same cup.

Again, stop taking things personally, I spoke only about myself. I don't care if I get a green card or not (I know I'm in the minority as far as Indians are concerned). I'm happy to go back to India if the occasion arises. I'd rather concentrate on my career and do challenging work, instead of wasting my productive years doing donkey work for years on end, while waiting for some piece of paper.

Everyone has their priorities, and in my mind I'm clear about mine.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Post by spoonie »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #248
shams93 wrote: post #245

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Its stupid to begin with, if you can't fill a skill, train somebody, the federal government does this for gigs that require security clearance. You never need to go outside the country for talent. The h1b program enables age discrimination, once you hit 40 you are pushed out for young immigrant labor, the position was occupied but they want to save money so out you go to poverty just when the IRS was counting on you…

> You never need to go outside the country for talent. I'm a natural-born citizen with plenty of friends who were unlucky to be born elsewhere. I want to work with them. Can't the government accommodate my simple desire to work with my friends locally?

You know, as an American citizen you are more likely able to get a work visa to go and work close to your friends.

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Post by luckydata »

dntrkv wrote: post #166
luckydata wrote: post #143

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The Bay Area could truly benefit by some reduction in the H1B workforce. The influx of foreign workers contributes greatly to the housing shortage that's hurting everyone right now. p.s.: Just in case you're wondering, I'm an immigrant and I left the bay area exactly for the reasons I'm highlighting.

Do you have any stats to back that claim up?

yes. In 2015 it was more than 50k people. Even if they all share rooms, it's a lot of demand on an housing stock that grows slowly.

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Post by thesagan »

usaphp wrote: post #246
throwaway2017ab wrote: post #222

I was a full time H1B employee at AMEX for 3 years. Its not only the Indian outsourcing firms who abuse the H1B visa system. All American companies including AMEX also do that. The company never even had plans to give me a promotion, not even increase my salary a bit even though I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises a…

> "I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises and promotions were going to a handful of lazy Americans who rolls into the office whenever they wish." You seem to have a pretty aggressive attitude towards people whose country gave you job and paid much more than you were making in your home country. You also seem to have a…

I don't know. He might have had a choice between two shitty options, and took the less-shitty-but-still-shitty option. Many people don't want to go that far from home, friends, and family unless things need to immigrate for... tough reasons.

You know, fallacy of relative privation and such. And as a "native" American, many of us are, or look, lazy compared to a lot of H1-B workers; both of which I personally know many.

He's allowed to complain, because I'd like to be allowed to voice complaints from time to time, too. The Brits have the "chins up" monopoly, anyhow. ;)

(Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty cheery guy.)

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Post by luckydata »

redditmigrant wrote: post #161
luckydata wrote: post #143

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The Bay Area could truly benefit by some reduction in the H1B workforce. The influx of foreign workers contributes greatly to the housing shortage that's hurting everyone right now. p.s.: Just in case you're wondering, I'm an immigrant and I left the bay area exactly for the reasons I'm highlighting.

Bay area's housing shortage is entirely self inflicted by its residents who refuse to allow more housing to be built. All this to maintain some arbitrary idea of character. A character that is frozen at some random point in time. There is no good reason for most of the bay area to be strip malls apartments and 2 story apartment complexes. There are more than enough examples of cities(Barcelona, Paris) with character,…

Preaching to the choir, but reality is it won't change anytime soon. I voted with my feet and left, I miss the area but I couldn't justify anymore how much of a hassle it was living there lately.

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Post by luckydata »

luckydata wrote: post #253
dntrkv wrote: post #166

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Do you have any stats to back that claim up?

yes. In 2015 it was more than 50k people. Even if they all share rooms, it's a lot of demand on an housing stock that grows slowly.

I forgot to add a link:

http://projects.sfchronicle.com/2016/visas/

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Post by letitgo12345 »

geebee wrote: post #85
shas3 wrote: post #51

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I'm not sure about the bidding war. I've been in situations where companies are looking for people with specific skills (e.g. working with specific microbiology techniques) but would never be able to outbid what Facebook or someone in Bay Area would pay for generalist skills in another field. There is nowhere close to 100% elasticity in wages to make an auction system fair. Also, this would handicap companies in low-…

I'm not sure that I'm sympathetic to employers who want to pay less. Keep in mind, the US takes in well over a million immigrants a year, and has a huge internal workforce. The H1B was created to help employers find critical and highly skilled workers that are in desperately short supply in the US. "Oh, but we can't afford to pay them a lot of money, that's not fair!" isn't the sort of argument that tends to evoke mu…

FYI, something like 85% of those million immigrants are non-employment based (~65% family based, ~20% refugees). But I generally agree, body shops spoil the system for everyone. I don't agree with require higher salaries than what the company pays similarly ranked employees tho as that is unfair to employees already there + creates resentment within the workforce.

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Post by politician »

ebbv wrote: post #249
politician wrote: post #243

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This is a dangerous idea. Let everyone in, and then watch housing prices shoot to infinity. Let everyone in, and watch cities deteriorate into slums with the associated no-go areas and warlords. Let everyone in, let them drive wages to zero. Let everyone starve. This is what you're advocating? > Previous generations of immigrants have made the US what it is. Previous generations had a physical barrier in the form of…

Your xenophobia is really sad. The US won't turn into Venezuela, Brazil or China because immigrants come here. Additionally, jobs won't go to zero because more population creates more demand for goods and services which necessitates more jobs. This same absurd argument you're making was used to stoke fears about Irish and Italian immigrants in the past. Now we realize how stupid it was then. It's just as stupid now.

How many people do you think would take advantage of your opportunity? How quickly would we expect them to act?

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Post by luckydata »

luckydata wrote: post #253
dntrkv wrote: post #166

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Do you have any stats to back that claim up?

yes. In 2015 it was more than 50k people. Even if they all share rooms, it's a lot of demand on an housing stock that grows slowly.

One more datapoint: between 2013 and 2014 the net change in population in the bay area was 100k, we can assume things are more or less the same as before meaning that H1B immigration counts for ~50% of the total change. If you can find more recent numbers (took me 30 seconds to find the links I added) then we can redo the math and see if there's major problems with my statements, but I really don't see how that could be the case.

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/03/26/youre-not-crazy-the-bay...

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Post by general_ai »

slaveofallah93 wrote: post #98
serge2k wrote: post #71

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You would tank salaries.

In the short run, maybe. After the market reaches equilibrium, no.

The equilibrium will be reached at a much lower price point than in the case of restricted supply of talent. Whole industries restrict the supply of workers for that reason: CPA, lawyers, and dentists being three prime examples.

People like to pretend that most things can be trivially outsourced, but that's not the case at all. Managing a team down the hallway is hard enough. Managing a team in another timezone requires the kind of skill not commonly found in US corporations.

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