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Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by pherq »

pyrale wrote: post #125
pherq wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flaw with this notion, is that neither Firefox nor Opera beat IE. Chrome did. Most of the people who argue things like this seem to agree that Firefox and Opera were superior browsers to IE. If that was the case, why hadn't they eaten IE's market share long before Chrome was ever produced? Could it be that Chrome being widely advertised on the most visited site on the internet helped?

Stats give FF at 45% market share, before Chrome got heavily advertised and took over. Chrome didn't beat IE. Firefox fought an all-out war and was not going anywhere either. What beat IE is an antitrust lawsuit actually.

I've never seen stats placing Firefox much above 30%, where are you getting 45% from?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by pjmlp »

Inconel wrote: post #66
pyrale wrote: post #8

At this point, it's not anymore about customer choice, the problem is systemic. Serving Google with the same kind of antitrust Microsoft got would be highly deserved and beneficial, but unfurtunately google made the political investments that Microsoft lacked. Which means we get to hear officials say Google is indeed in a situation deserving the antitrust, but it's fine "because their products bring value to customer…

Genuine question from someone not well versed in this topic but interested in learning more, can you give me some examples of what Google is doing that is abusive of their monopoly power, particularly as it relates to Chrome? I'm aware of some of the issues involving Android licensing/bundling of apps but not well informed on other aspects.

ChromeOS, while not that much successful outside USA, it appears to be a thing there.

So if you have a browser based OS, which happens to be loved by the USA school system, which browser do you think many US devs will care mostly about?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by 4minute »

Yoric wrote: post #19
4minute wrote: post #6

Maybe these other browsers should stop being complete shit and maybe I will. You want to know why people pick Google products? Because they work and they work well with each other. The only people that don't like Google are tech people that write stupid blogs like this. Sorry, but the general population doesn't give a fuck if Google does any of this. They just want products that work. They don't even give a fuck abou…

And what people don't know can't hurt them, right? More seriously, there is a battlefield on the web. Since the demise of Opera, Firefox is the only mainstream browser left standing that actively attempts to not violate your privacy. This doesn't mean that Firefox developers don't need to work on ways to make Firefox the best browser – incidentally, Firefox in January 2017 is orders of magnitude better than Firefox i…

Yeah, and that thinking isn't going to make Firefox popular. People don't care about privacy. Do you not realize that Facebook has over a billion users, most of them sharing location, posts, pictures, videos, likes, friends, family, and so much more. People want you to know about them. They want you to feel envy over their vaction pictures. People want people to see their photos.

People love to share data.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by bigbugbag »

EJTH wrote: post #51

I would really like to support Mozilla again, but they have had an unreasonable amount of exploits recently, add to this the fact that support for my most beloved tools are gone (Firebug & TamperData) I really see no other point in sticking with FF than a political or ideological agenda.

What? firebug is gone ? I used it earlier today.

Just checked and firebug is still here and works and will be supported until firefox 52 when firefox moves to become a multiprocess program. The firebug team is working to integrate firebug into firefox.next because it would be too complex to port firebug to a multi process architecture.

I didn't know about this and am not happy about it, I guess this means I switch to firefox esr and pale moon to continue using firebug if the dev tools are not to my taste (as they are now and have been since their introduction)

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by tremon »

abhpan27 wrote: post #13

People choose firefox over IE because firefox was better. People choose chrome over firefox and IE because chrome is better. Want to beat google? create better. Not negativity.

Developers chose IE over Netscape because IE was easier (more features). Developers choose Chrome over standards because Chrome is easier.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by kmitz »

Firefox has a serious performance issue. The difference with Chrome is really noticeable after only a few minutes of browsing. Less responsive, huge memory comsumption.

Try d3.js for instance, the rendering speed is horribly slow on Firefox.

I won't be switching to Firefox unless its performances get closer to Chrome's.

As a developper I wish I could contribute to make a better Firefox, but I'm pretty sure the technical level is too high for me.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by wiz21c »

abhpan27 wrote: post #13

People choose firefox over IE because firefox was better. People choose chrome over firefox and IE because chrome is better. Want to beat google? create better. Not negativity.

Should I remind you that the article we're looking at is not about the convenience of a speedy browser, but the political choice of a browser that is not tied to a global company (or not much tied, I dunno for sure).

I know this sounds like RMS but with a problem the size of Google, then things gets political.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by nsomaru »

jonchang wrote: post #28
abhpan27 wrote: post #13

People choose firefox over IE because firefox was better. People choose chrome over firefox and IE because chrome is better. Want to beat google? create better. Not negativity.

Not sure this is necessarily the case - Google cross-promoted Chrome extremely heavily across all its web properties, ran massive ad campaigns, and contractually obligated Android vendors to preinstall and use Chrome as the default on their handsets. Mozilla, lacking the power or money to do any of these things, wouldn't be able to compete on these fronts, regardless of who built the better product.

yeah, an update or two back on Android, Google Home App now opens link cards in some stripped down version of Chrome despite the fact that Firefox is set as the default browser on my phone.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by amelius »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #97

Daily Firefox user here. Switched back from Chrome a couple years ago and haven't looked back. Just seeing the comments here exasperates me... So for those who don't know, the Internet is heavily biased towards Chrome. Simple pages that should render no differently in FF than Chrome are often broken. This "Chrome is great, screw everything else" attitude is exactly how we ended up with IE and stagnation in standards/…

> This "Chrome is great, screw everything else" attitude is exactly how we ended up with IE and stagnation in standards/development in the late 90s/early 2000s.

A similar thing can be said about Apple versus other hardware companies. It saddens me that especially people on dev forums don't want to see this.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice (2014)

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Post by necessity »

tschellenbach wrote: post #56

The only effective monetization strategy I've seen for a browser is search. So Google is in a very strong position to make money on Chrome. The problem that Firefox has is that there is no real competition for search anymore. That limits their ability to monetize and their ability to invest in the browser.

>Nov 01 2016

>Mozilla Foundation just reported a 28% leap in revenue for 2015, to $421 million, with cash flow more than tripling, to about $80 million.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeanders/2016/12/01/mozilla-...

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