Google reveals secret test of AI bot to beat top Go players

Post by spurgu » Wed, Jan 04, 2017, 8:19 PM UTC

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> My guess would be that this new version relies more heavily on pro games. Unlikely, since AlphaGo can now generate large numbers of "pro quality" games from scratch. I think it's far more likely it is an autodidact at this point.

They solved heads up poker in this manner recently. They claim that the chances anyone can beat this computer in the long run are now infinitesimal. http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/about

Post by spurgu » Wed, Jan 04, 2017, 8:23 PM UTC

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Human moves tend to fit a narrative and be explainable, although often for very concrete reasons. For example: "I am sketching out territory while attacking an opponent group." "I am making my group safe so that I will not have to worry about its life while I accomplish other strategic goals." "I am making a very strong group so that I can use it to make it harder for my opponent to accomplish anything." Master, on t…

> Human moves tend to fit a narrative and be explainable, although often for very concrete reasons. I'm not a Go player, but could it not be that if the AI played its moved in a more human order you could see what was going on and assign a narrative to the moves, but the AI can see the order of the moves doesn't matter sometimes so it seems to play more vaguely/randomly to observers? For example, say the AI played a…

Post by snovv_crash » Wed, Jan 04, 2017, 8:25 PM UTC

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This seems like the beginnings of the plot of an anime I'd want to watch. Season two would probably start with the developer's getting complacent and a Chinese AI entering the scene.

Really hope to see one machine against another. In future we'd probably have game tournament of AI machines. Example my tensorflow-build machine against your openai-build machine in a StarCraft game.

Post by badminton1 » Wed, Jan 04, 2017, 8:50 PM UTC

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Yes but players are usually presented by their rank, e.g: Ke Jie 9P, Lee Sedol 9P. Then, professional dans in some Go associations are granted by total wins over their career rather than relative strength to another rank (e.g: Japan).

There is already a wide range of strength among 9p players. In addition, once a player reaches 9p, they never lose it, so it includes players in their prime as well as players who have declined.

Post by detaro » Wed, Jan 04, 2017, 8:57 PM UTC

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Their Nature paper says "We trained the policy network p_sigma to classify positions according to expert moves played in the KGS data set. This data set contains 29.4 million positions from 160,000 games played by KGS 6 to 9 dan human players; 35.4% of the games are handicap games." It is possible that they fed it some pro games after the Fan Hui games but before the Lee Sedol games, but that would be weird; at that…

> games played by KGS 6 to 9 dan human players I'm confused. I thought 9-dan players were considered pro? That's the highest ranking you can get, right?