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Re: No tipping means better business

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It is a nice feature unless you're on the other end of the deal, walking from one completely full restaurant to another looking for a table. In a sense, it's an inefficiency because a table may free up shortly after you leave, but the staff wouldn't care to predict that.

You could call and make a reservation.

Not every place does reservations.

Re: No tipping means better business

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post #184

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> When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. So you also dislike bonuses for white collar professionals? Because it's exactly the same thing.

Except it's not.. the requirements for getting a bonus should be well defined

Like the sales guys met some quota to determine company wide bonus even when you are an engineer with no influence on the sales guy?

Re: No tipping means better business

#193

Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life. It gives us a chance to flex a muscle we don't flex often enough. We should be doing it more, not less. We should tip the cashier at the grocery store and our mechanics and our mail carriers and the referees at high school sporting events. Paypal tip jars and Humble Bundle's Pay What You Want model are two examples of tipping on the web…

Don't forget your software development consultant. I wouldn't mind an extra 20% :)

I'm not convinced of your point, but I wonder how far you could take it. Do you tip your kid's teacher, your professor, a librarian, your doctor, your doctor's assistant? What if the referee is actually wealthy and does it for the love of the game? You'd have to make explicit judgements about every job's place in the socioeconomic hierarchy, and not everyone is going to appreciate getting grouped with the waiters.

Re: No tipping means better business

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post #114

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A no tipping environment is usually "optional tips" in my world view. Therefore i can not agree with that.

Your world view certainly does not encompass Japan then. It is basically not possible to leave a tip there. You'll be chased down the street with the money you 'forgot'. And if you could get past that misunderstanding, through insisting, then you'd be insulting the server by rudely highlighting your spending power, over their presumed economic need.

> usually.

Obviously there are exceptions.

Re: No tipping means better business

#195

Having lived in Japan for a long time, I kind of dread visiting America because of the whole nonsense of tipping (and lot of other reasons, really). There's simply no concept of it here and yet the service is excellent. I don't know what the typical wage is but I know people who work in service jobs and seem to have a lot more disposable income than their counterparts in the US. I also know people who work as servers…

I've worked as both a server and a delivery driver, and even after having left both jobs I'd still be in favor of tipping because I think it incentivizes the worker to do well at their job. The US simply doesn't have the same culture Japan has. That said, travelling to the US shouldn't be handicapped by a fear of tipping. Don't tip, or do, but not going because of it is an unfortunate choice.

I should clarify, there are a lot of reasons I don't like going back to the US and tipping is just one small part of it. It would be off topic to go into them here but, obviously, a dislike of tipping culture is hardly a reason to move to a different country and never return.

Re: No tipping means better business

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post #181

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Worse still, tipping is merely a way of keeping class hierarchies, and it's disgusting. When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. Of course, they might not too. Labor laws, minimum wage, etc are all there to make this illegal in a work contract, and it should b…

> When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. So you also dislike bonuses for white collar professionals? Because it's exactly the same thing.

No, because unlike a bonus, tips make up a significant portion of waitstaff's regular income. If they don't get their tips then maybe they don't make rent.

It's a completely different situation than bonuses on top of a salary that already covers living expenses.

Re: No tipping means better business

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post #60
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The problem with no tipping, in my experince (especially in Europe), is that waiters aren't incentivized to turn tables. If you go to a popular spot for dinner that happens to be completely full and ask for a table, the waiter will usually shrug their shoulders and say 'Sorry, try again tomorrow.' Usually, there is no concept of a waiting list or a waiting time estimate, because diners are conditioned that they can s…

This is something I've also experienced during my travels to Europe, in particular in Paris. I will say I've found this to be a "feature", not a "bug". In addition, it's uncommon for the check to be presented without it first being asked for, whereas in the US, once you "pass" on desert, you're given a check. I'd love to see a non-tipping culture organically rise up. I'd choose restaurants that pay a living wage for…

I would imagine that the restaurant considers it closer to a bug than a feature because its tables are finite. Parties that come in looking for a table aren't necessarily going to be queued up, most will just go somewhere else.

Re: No tipping means better business

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post #131

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I've worked as both a server and a delivery driver, and even after having left both jobs I'd still be in favor of tipping because I think it incentivizes the worker to do well at their job. The US simply doesn't have the same culture Japan has. That said, travelling to the US shouldn't be handicapped by a fear of tipping. Don't tip, or do, but not going because of it is an unfortunate choice.

I don't think it does. Tipping is expected even if a bad service is being provided. I live in a country where you have to give tips everywhere and everywhere the service is awful. Why not be fair and pay the employee well (and also pay taxes for that amount). edit: I was thinking about how to award good employees and I think it's simple: give a small paper form at the end, where people will provide ratings for the se…

The difference between bad service and good service might only be 15% vs 20% and IME most American's do not tip punitively anyway, and tip the same no matter what.

The employer is in a much better position to assess staff performance than customers... And it's not the customers job.

If a waiter sucks they won't fire themselves just because they're only getting 15% tips.

Re: No tipping means better business

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post #58

As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture. The tipping sucks. I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service. Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal. I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. The worker's salary is a employer's responsibility. If the the worker becom…

>> I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. 20% is an easy calculation. Move the decimal point over one, and double. $24.30 becomes $2.43, doubled you get $4.86 which is your tip. Round it up to $5 if you want. Did you really enjoy the service? Add another $2 or $3. Terrible waiter? Subtract $2 or $3.

0% is an even easier calculation.

You just take a zero, and add a dollar sign to the front.

Re: No tipping means better business

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>> I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. 20% is an easy calculation. Move the decimal point over one, and double. $24.30 becomes $2.43, doubled you get $4.86 which is your tip. Round it up to $5 if you want. Did you really enjoy the service? Add another $2 or $3. Terrible waiter? Subtract $2 or $3.

Try doing 20% on an american credit card bill when you're drunk and leaving the house, where it wants you to write down the total AND the difference. It's completely retarded in every conceivable way.

> retarded

Maybe consider not using this word anymore.

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