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How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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> What Apple needs to do is make the mac lineup based modular components. E.g. "Here is a box you can slide a video card into Like Razer has?

Yes but for all the components: ram, CPU, ssd/m2... hell being able to slide a new box in that contains a new mobo would be amazing.

You mean like a PC?

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The people who compared the USB-C move to Apple's past moves were completely ignoring that in the past Apple replaced the FLoppy drive with the CD rom, but still kept all the other ports around. This time round Apple has replaced every port with a USB-C port, which means I don't need to transition only 1 interface. I need to transition all. And the most painful part about this move is they are doing it to the product…

> Apple replaced the FLoppy drive with the CD rom, but still kept all the other ports around. What? That's not even close to true. The iMac replaced all of Apple's then-standard ports with USB. ADB: gone. Serial: gone. SCSI: gone.

Yes, but that was consumer / education market gear first (iMac) as I recall.

More or less back on topic ... I bought a HP Probook for my on-the-road studies/work last cycle because I needed a portable that I could do _work_ with and repairability, matte screen, mouse buttons, VGA, HDMI, and whole lot of other things were much more important to me than width or mass or shiny. It came with Windows and it's well supported.

I would like to get another 17" macbook pro someday (mine is pretty old and 80% retired), and this move and the messaging around it suggests that Apple doesn't care to make one. It's no surprise, but it still stings a bit, and as noted else where it is breathtakingly clumsy for their remaining mac business (as is that press conference).

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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I'm a customer . Of course I matter. They're losing sales because they're not giving me any reason to stay, and multiple reasons to go. That matters. Suppose I bite the bullet and switch to Windows? Apple's lost me then. They're not going to win me back. And that's not just the Mac. That's maybe my next phone. My next pad. My next router (oh wait, they're getting out of the wireless router game too). Losing customers…

I do dislike them exiting the router business. As for losing customers, well, then we will look at the sales numbers. I wasn't "happy" with the new MacBook Pro lineup, but I personally love the direction they're going. The only bad thing is the price increase, but they will drop the price. But for your "I'm a customer I matter" comment. No you don't. Apple isn't going to let people who want a gigantic laptop with a m…

So basically, Apple has chosen a direction, and that direction may make sense, but it involves abandoning longtime loyal customers who were/are dependent on parts of the Apple ecosystem they're no longer supporting.

Wasn't that my original argument?

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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"This isn't thinking different, this is thinking backwards. They tried that once, didn't with so well and it was the first thing Jobs reverted when he came back." Times have changed. Macs are down to a pretty small percentage of Apple's revenues - what Apple needs is widespread uptake of macOS to promote the ecosystem of macOS + iOS. "Apple knows bit from iOS and OSX that one of their defining advantages cones from t…

"Times have changed. Macs are down to a pretty small percentage of Apple's revenues - what Apple needs is widespread uptake of macOS to promote the ecosystem of macOS + iOS." What do you mean widespread uptake? What software doesn't run on either? iOS has the largest app store and best apps by a country mile while OSX runs everything that matters and is the preferred dev machine (at least for OSS devs) due to its Uni…

"What do you mean widespread uptake?"

I mean a higher percentage of people with systems running macOS. Macs are currently hovering at somewhere around 10% of systems purchased in the US. That means there's 90% potential growth...

Folks with macOS systems are MUCH more likely to want iOS devices, which is where Apple is making most of its profits these days.

"I'm a dev, I work on terrabyte size databases, though I may have liked to have 32 gigs of ram, the truth of it is I hardly ever am using even half of my 16."

I frequently run into yellow or pink memory conditions in System Monitor on my 16 GB MBP. VMs in particular suck up a lot of memory. Since modern laptops can support 2x and even 4x the amount of memory, shouldn't the customer get to decide how much is optimum? Many engineers and scientists can use as much RAM as they can get their hands on...

It's also time to move to ECC as we move to these large memory sizes. HP and Lenovo both offer laptops with ECC RAM.

"What are the "pro" level graphics chips used for? Seems mostly games no?"

Nope. "Pro" level graphics chips (like, you know, the ones included with the Mac Pro) are used for CAD and other high-end professional graphics apps, as well as GPU compute.

Even the high end consumer GPUs should be offered, again why should Apple dictate to their customers what's optimal? Let the customer decide!

"Mark my words, all the brew-haha over the current gen will blow over in six to twelve months as type-c becomes more common and accessory makers get on board. Apple will rev in two years with more RAM, their fancier fitted battery and whatever the current gen proc is, but everything else will remain the same."

If so, don't expect to see Apple expand its marketshare significantly. It is not serving its customers as it should.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Something that really bothers me about the sentiment expressed in this article is that computer manufacturers are looking to fit people's specific use cases. I see it all the time, especially on tech sites, where people want to complain that Apple (or whatever tech company is being questioned) has abandoned them because of X, Y, or Z since they no longer offer some kind of functionality that was useful to a person. P…

The problem for some Mac users is that there is nothing else that compares to the status quo ante, when Apple used to make Macs that fit our needs. Us Mac users looking to upgrade are stuck between a rock and a hard place. We either have to choose between Mac OS X (and use underpowered and/or non-upgradeable hardware since that's all Apple sells these days) or good hardware (and use operating systems that we feel are…

This is the part that I don't understand, though. If you were using a Mac before for your work, then how is a newer, faster Mac unable to do the job? I get that you may be annoyed that you have to buy dongles and adapters or that being able to upgrade was a big thing for you, but Apple has not swept the rug out from under you and made your previous tools obsolete nor have they prevented their new hardware from doing the job your old hardware did. And I'm not complaining about the venting or annoyance that you're describing, I'm talking about the hyperbole like "being in mourning" and crap like "Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists". They didn't alienate anyone, they did research and looked into how people use computers and a small subsection of the population uses them slightly differently. You can still do what you need to do with their computers. You're not alienated at all. You just don't like that their computers don't fit your use case 100% and that's a completely different thing.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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What, really? What happens when you plug it in? Does it tell you that you can't use it? Does it lock you out? Does it brick the phone? Ohhhh...you meant that you have to get an adapter. Of course you can plug the phone into the new MacBook. The only thing that might be absurd is that you might need an adapter to plug it in but, in reality, there's nothing that you'd really need to plug it in for anyways except to cha…

To build and deploy an app from Xcode to a phone, it must be plugged in. For how much money the app ecosystem brings Apple, they sure don't throw the developers many bones.

While I agree with your sentiment, developers are a very, very small subset of the population that uses Apple products.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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What, really? What happens when you plug it in? Does it tell you that you can't use it? Does it lock you out? Does it brick the phone? Ohhhh...you meant that you have to get an adapter. Of course you can plug the phone into the new MacBook. The only thing that might be absurd is that you might need an adapter to plug it in but, in reality, there's nothing that you'd really need to plug it in for anyways except to cha…

Yes, you've to get an adaptor, but when I've invested thousands into their ecosystem there is a certain level of expectation that their products work integrate seamlessly without such hassles.

They do. You don't have to plug in an iPhone to the computer to do anything, unless you're a developer. The majority of people using the iPhone and the new Macbook have no need to plug it in.

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Not the code, the databases. And actually the specific databases I need to run (we have minimal PII scrubbed versions we use for local testing) could live on my internal HD but I don't have enough storage for all my files + the backup files of the DBs for restoring + the restored database files.

I wonder if any of the AWS stuff would help with this. An EC2 instance or something. Sure there would be latency but if the data processing is mostly kept local to the AMI, it might work. But then I don't know your workflow.

Yeah we've been talking about setting up once-a-week-restored dev instances that people who aren't making database migrations / schema changes can point their codebase at so they don't have to have _all_ the databases. It's a struggle though, especially since most of the other devs have desktops with RAIDs of TBs of space haha.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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It is completely absurd and user hostile that you need to buy an adapter to plug it in. I charge my phone in my laptop often.

The phone comes with everything you need to charge it. It is neither absurd nor user-hostile. Inconvenient, maybe. Annoying, yes. Anything else is an exaggeration.

I mean, you're pretty wrong about this, but that's ok.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Yes, you've to get an adaptor, but when I've invested thousands into their ecosystem there is a certain level of expectation that their products work integrate seamlessly without such hassles.

They do. You don't have to plug in an iPhone to the computer to do anything, unless you're a developer. The majority of people using the iPhone and the new Macbook have no need to plug it in.

PS, most of us here are developers.
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