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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by Girlang »

snoman wrote: post #141
electic wrote: post #83

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Yes, but you have to lift your arm up. It is far far faster to scroll through a web page with the touchpad.

You're starting to sound like one of those funny infomercials where everything is black and white and the actor fumbles with some overtly awkward action, that is otherwise mundane... Holding their outstretched arm up over their head with their other arm, a grimace of strain on their face, trying to scroll with their pinky finger. All the while the voice-over is asking why you'd subject yourself to this. It's a, very…

Listen. these paid Apple astroturfers are very good at their jobs and will defend Apple in online forums until Apple stops paying them.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by natch »

jc4p wrote: post #440
coldtea wrote: post #77

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> My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful Compared to a five year old 17"? More like double the power. And unbelievably faster SSD (even if you have a…

I notice that you quoted this part: > I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. but didn't mention it in your retort to the rest of that paragraph. You can't upgrade the new macbooks. I am typing this from a 2015 Macbook Pro Retina, I bought it with the biggest hard drive they offered at the time, and am currently doing development off a thunderbolt hard drive. Do you know how much that sucks? I wo…

Your code doesn't fit in 1TB? What kind of development is that?

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by jsz0 »

fooker wrote: post #164
autoreleasepool wrote: post #106

After being an Apple "Loyalist" for over 15 years, I recently sold my rMBP and built a desktop (i7 4790k, GTX 1080, 16Gb DDR3 @ 2933Mhz). It was by far the best hardware decision I have ever made. Building the system was an absolute blast. Plus, I now have an extremely powerful PC with first class Linux support, tons of I/O ports, and no vendor lock in. The best part is it cost me about 1/3 of the price of a (maxed-o…

I am puzzled about missing homebrew.. You said you are installing Xubuntu, which comes with an excellent package manager with less issued than a brew user is likely to run into.

For a lot of popular packages homebrew is more bleeding edge these days than whatever the default sources are for Ubuntu. It's nice not needing to add a bunch of extra apt sources to get updated packages. Another perk of homebrew is, in most cases it can't really screw up your system. After all these years apt can and still frequently does break things. Just the other day I had to help someone restore an apache config that got hosed due to apt upgrade trying to remove a package. It's in an endless loop of insisting the old package has to be installed before it can be removed or some such non-sense. Of course as you might guess this person's apt sources were full of random things that he most likely found and copy & pasted from random Internet sites. Somehow he had what I guess was a docker nightly build which, when updated, caused all the containers on his machine to be stopped. He thought docker was just buggy and crashed a lot. Good stuff. I very rarely have any of those problems with homebrew.

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Post by npunt »

theuly wrote: post #409
dkonofalski wrote: post #321

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How is the Apple Watch a joke? It was the best selling wearable device for both series and it has the highest customer satisfaction rating of any wearable. Something like 96% of Apple Watch owners said that they would buy another one.

I think it's the overall market for smart watches? For sure, it's not the next iPhone or iPad in terms of revenue. Even in the smartwatch category, Apple isn't doing too well. Going from 70% in market share from last year to 41% this year. They're still the market leader, though. source: http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/26/technology/smartwatch-sales-...

Same thing happened with iPhone after android devices started appearing, and iPads with android tablets. Market share has never been the metric that matters, because there will always be cheap high volume crap electronics that are disposed of and replaced frequently. Profit share is what matters, and Apple Watch is doing well there, just like iPhone and iPad.

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Post by sixstringtheory »

dkonofalski wrote: post #326
elliotec wrote: post #235

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It appears you are in the minority. Apple has disenfranchised a lot of loyalists for a lot of reasons. Think of how absurd it is that you can't even plug in your new iPhone 7 into your new Macbook Pro.

What, really? What happens when you plug it in? Does it tell you that you can't use it? Does it lock you out? Does it brick the phone? Ohhhh...you meant that you have to get an adapter. Of course you can plug the phone into the new MacBook. The only thing that might be absurd is that you might need an adapter to plug it in but, in reality, there's nothing that you'd really need to plug it in for anyways except to cha…

To build and deploy an app from Xcode to a phone, it must be plugged in.

For how much money the app ecosystem brings Apple, they sure don't throw the developers many bones.

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Post by nitrogen »

stuckagain wrote: post #427
bsder wrote: post #314

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If only there were a wired protocol that is high-speed, has a standard connector, can deliver power, and has both bandwidth and latency controls ... wouldn't that be wonderful? Then we wouldn't have to reinvent all of these wires. (Yes, sarcasm. That protocol is called Ethernet. And basically every high-speed interface we currently have is a bad reimplementation of it for political reasons.)

Ethernet does not have any of the guarantees that 1394 offers.

At the physical layer, gigabit PHYs can be used to send any logical protocol you want. You could implement something akin to 1394 over 1000base-T.

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Post by sosuke »

rdw wrote: post #472
trome wrote: post #412

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Is his "new" machine using spinning rust for Win10? Cause that is what it sounds like, I don't get why people inflict non-SSD computers on themselves, its just a positively awful experience.

It's an SSD. I suspect there's some sort of middleware that's scanning every file, like antivirus or something. That kinda thing adds up quickly.

I've had the built in MS antivirus cause problems before but you can whitelist applications if it is causing problems.

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Post by aianus »

jen729w wrote: post #353
Recurecur wrote: post #32

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Not just lack of hardware updates, but the lack of complete system categories. It's the height of hypocrisy to tout a green approach to things, while not even offering an upgradable machine, e.g. a tower. All-in-ones like the iMac are usually discarded if either the motherboard or the display goes south, whereas a tower is easily fixed. Also, power users are left out in the cold, with the Mac Pro the only system fitt…

> Apple should bite the bullet and license macOS for third-party hardware Please, please, no. Presumably you've never gone through this particular form of hell: 1. You have a [Toshiba|Dell|HP] laptop. You've upgraded something. You need [graphics|sound|network] drivers. 2. You go to [Toshiba|Dell|HP].com to get those drivers. You navigate to the "Support" page for your laptop model. 3. You - you, the user - are prese…

They could license it for specific models only and ship the necessary drivers with the OS just as they do now.

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Post by grzm »

Recurecur wrote: post #32
deedubaya wrote: post #13

I still think macOS/OSX provides the best user experience for personal computing. It's the lack of substantial hardware updates which is driving users away. If creatives are going to pay a premium for a Mac, there should be something to differentiate it between the competition besides the privilege to run macOS. Heck, it should have something to differentiate it from the last model! I'll still recommend Macs for my f…

Not just lack of hardware updates, but the lack of complete system categories. It's the height of hypocrisy to tout a green approach to things, while not even offering an upgradable machine, e.g. a tower. All-in-ones like the iMac are usually discarded if either the motherboard or the display goes south, whereas a tower is easily fixed. Also, power users are left out in the cold, with the Mac Pro the only system fitt…

Apple should bite the bullet and license macOS for third-party hardware.

Apple is a hardware company that also makes software that makes the hardware compelling. The first time around licensing the OS was part of the near bankruptcy of Apple. I can't imagine them trying that again.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by nicpottier »

Recurecur wrote: post #401
nicpottier wrote: post #305

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This isn't thinking different, this is thinking backwards. They tried that once, didn't with so well and it was the first thing Jobs reverted when he came back. Apple knows bit from iOS and OSX that one of their defining advantages cones from their close ties of hardware and software. They won't give that away again. The drama around the new MBPs is all about price. No idea why they went so high but if they were more…

"This isn't thinking different, this is thinking backwards. They tried that once, didn't with so well and it was the first thing Jobs reverted when he came back." Times have changed. Macs are down to a pretty small percentage of Apple's revenues - what Apple needs is widespread uptake of macOS to promote the ecosystem of macOS + iOS. "Apple knows bit from iOS and OSX that one of their defining advantages cones from t…

"Times have changed. Macs are down to a pretty small percentage of Apple's revenues - what Apple needs is widespread uptake of macOS to promote the ecosystem of macOS + iOS."

What do you mean widespread uptake? What software doesn't run on either? iOS has the largest app store and best apps by a country mile while OSX runs everything that matters and is the preferred dev machine (at least for OSS devs) due to its Unix roots.

"Apple is using almost completely generic PC hardware at this point. See my other post regarding hardware."

It is way way way easier to optimize a few specific pieces of hardware working together than trying to support all of them. It becomes a worse experience for end users and a distraction for the company. The mobile space is the most stark example of this. (where the hardware is also pretty much all the same)

"Not at all. Much of the drama around the new MBPs was how anemic they look compared to other "pro" laptops. They don't even support 32 GB of RAM, much less 64. No ECC. No Xeons. No "pro" level graphics chips."

I'm a dev, I work on terrabyte size databases, though I may have liked to have 32 gigs of ram, the truth of it is I hardly ever am using even half of my 16. Sure seems to me most of the blame falls on good old Moore's Law no longer keeping up. It isn't Apple's fault that today's procs are only 25% faster than those from four years ago. The old retina's had the advantage of still being in an era of faster processor revs as well as being able to bring SSD's to everyone, which was also a huge performance boost.

What are the "pro" level graphics chips used for? Seems mostly games no?

Mark my words, all the brew-haha over the current gen will blow over in six to twelve months as type-c becomes more common and accessory makers get on board. Apple will rev in two years with more RAM, their fancier fitted battery and whatever the current gen proc is, but everything else will remain the same.

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