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How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Mac loyalists are becoming a nuisance for Apple. They keep wanting Apple to change things, instead of passively accepting what Apple chooses to give them, like good little consumers. They want features needed by tiny fractions of the user base, a headache for a mass-market manufacturer.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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After being an Apple "Loyalist" for over 15 years, I recently sold my rMBP and built a desktop (i7 4790k, GTX 1080, 16Gb DDR3 @ 2933Mhz). It was by far the best hardware decision I have ever made. Building the system was an absolute blast. Plus, I now have an extremely powerful PC with first class Linux support, tons of I/O ports, and no vendor lock in. The best part is it cost me about 1/3 of the price of a (maxed-o…

Take a look at https://chocolatey.org/ for an alternative to homebrew.

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It wasn't hard to do. Endless coy secrecy on platform refreshes, deciding what tech to use based on form factor and coolness instead of utility, and an operating system that got more bloated and unstable with each version were more than enough to drive me off.

Did you consider the bloatedness related to the iCloud stuff being forced onto it or something else?

It wasn't iCloud specific, although that didn't help. More just a general sense that with every iteration of OSX, the operating system got just a little bit slower, just a little bit more unstable, the human interface standards just a little more inconsistent and unclear, and you'd have to wrestle with more built-in systems like the Mac App Store that locked things down for Apple's convenience.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Admittedly, for my needs the 15" models are not great. Writing and some computer programming/big data. I prefer longer battery life and a lighter/smaller 15" unit. The new unit claims to have about 2 hours more battery life than the 2015 model (see tables of battery life near end) [1]. Also important to me is nearby Apple stores to get my Mac problems looked into if I need it. Could somebody please be specific as to…

The actual problem for me (audio engineer/music production) isn't so much the new machine itself, it's that after /years/ of stagnation, at a much-hyped keynote titled "Hello Again", referencing the original Mac launch, it's the only machine we got, and it's not much better than the machine that came before it. Essentially what this signaled to me, and a lot of other people, is that Apple has lost sight of the distin…

Thank you for your reply, but I'm still a bit confused. I would have liked an NVidea dGPU instead of the AMD for GPU processing with CUDA so that is a disappointment, but from my understanding, the AMD 14nm node GPUs consume much less power than the NVidea GPUs.

The new 15" unit is smaller and somewhat lighter with a longer battery life so for those that value portability, this is really helpful.

I see value in having to lug around less weight, to better able to use it on an airplane because of smaller size, to have the extra battery life.

For my needs, the TB seems gimmicky and yet another possible point of failure so a negative.

As for the USB-C and the dongles, I think that is a transitional issue.

So, from my perspective, I see lighter, smaller, 2 hours longer battery life, a much faster SSD interface, more colors in the display panel and can do what I want functionally. That is why I was trying to figure out what it doesn't do for some people that makes them so unhappy or what they would do to improve it without making it larger and heavier and have a shortened battery life?

For those doing graphics, doesn't the better display panel help them to do their job.

> and more about what wasn't released alongside it.

Can you be specific on what this means regarding the 15" rMBP 2016?

Generally, the cost of the laptop, this tool, is little compared with salary and benefits and it really makes sense to do frequent upgrades.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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I'm in the same boat. I've used and loved Apple products for the better part of a decade. Used to tune in to Steve Jobs doing his keynotes. Got excited about everything they launched. Maybe that fades with age, I'm almost in my 30s now. But, I just don't care anymore. In fact, almost every new Apple product does the opposite of what I want. In my day job I do consulting on Natural Language Processing and Machine Learning. And sometimes that involves CUDA. There are no Apple solutions with Nvidia cards. I'm an avid hobby photographer, the lack of storage space on these devices make me cringe. A single RAW from my dSLR easily takes 20 megabytes, do a day of shooting and I ramp up gigabytes of data. At night, I'm a hobby astronomer and play with astrophotography, this requires a lot of IO. Often I have 7 to 8 USB devices attached via various hubs. This works fine on my 3 year old Macbook Pro … the reports from flaky IO, even if you use their branded adapters, make me really reluctant to upgrade. That stuff is hard enough without having to deal with dodgy transfers or incompatible hubs. For some of this I've started using the cloud and bare metal servers in a rack … but it's not a proper substitute for doing it in a train with flaky wifi. And it drastically adds to the latency of my iterations. I realize I'm a minority, but I once honestly believed that Apple catered to my needs, that it would provide me with the best possible hardware to achieve my hobbies and professional goals. No longer so, not by a long shot.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful, has a smaller screen and less I/O functionality, and would be incompatible with my audio interface unless I d…

I did take a close look at the Surface Pro. Sorry, the build quality is nowhere near a MacBook Pro. Secondly, I found the touch screen very gimmicky. I tried using it for a week and found that my hand just hurt lifting it up repeatedly and also hated switching context from the keyboard to the screen. Not to mention, the screen was full of smudge marks after awhile. To be honest, I really found myself using the keyboa…

> The screen could be further to the edges a bit for a more modern look.

I have the new MBP 13" (love it), but the one thing that annoys me slightly is the smudges on the edge of the screen from opening it, or adjusting the screen angle.

It's impossible not to get marks on the screen. As it is, they're in the thin bezel area and not on the actual screen. I'm not sure I'd want the screen to go all the way to the edge...

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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It appears you are in the minority. Apple has disenfranchised a lot of loyalists for a lot of reasons. Think of how absurd it is that you can't even plug in your new iPhone 7 into your new Macbook Pro.

What, really? What happens when you plug it in? Does it tell you that you can't use it? Does it lock you out? Does it brick the phone? Ohhhh...you meant that you have to get an adapter. Of course you can plug the phone into the new MacBook. The only thing that might be absurd is that you might need an adapter to plug it in but, in reality, there's nothing that you'd really need to plug it in for anyways except to cha…

It is completely absurd and user hostile that you need to buy an adapter to plug it in.

I charge my phone in my laptop often.

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More than a single event, it is the string of events which create the disappointment. While Apple is indeed bound by Intels schedule for CPU upgrades, this would not prevent Apple from regular other components in their devices. A computer like the Mini should get yearly updates - and there is no good reason to solder in the memory. While it kept the very same design, it went from a quad-core i7 to a dual-core, with f…

I suppose the era of PowerPCs was a little different, with Apple far ahead of PCs for a while, then well behind. Apple could have released Skylake 13" class laptops a long time ago. Possibly they thought there would be suitable Kaby Lake processors with Iris by now. These MacBook Pros are expensive, but they really are not more expensive than similar machine with matching specs. Given that, here's what I think would…

I don't know that PPC Macs were ever far ahead of PCs, performance-wise at least. At best there was a relatively big leap from "much slower than what you can get in a PC" in the tail end of the 68040 era to "pretty close to what you can get in a PC" in the early PPC days. But then PPC performance stagnated and left Apple in the lurch again, which helped drive the eventual jump to Intel.

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> It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful, has a smaller screen and less I/O functionality, and would be incompatible with my audio interface unless I daisy-chain multiple adapters to get Firewire. Fuck that, as long as possible. To be fair, with the new Macs you still get to daisy chain adapters... Here's the thing, nobody can take away how great the Macs we have…

--- 2016 Razer Blade ($2,099) 16 GB System Memory (DDR4, 2133 MHz) NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1060 (6GB GDDR5 VRAM) Intel® Core i7-6700HQ Quad-Core Processor (2.6GHz / 3.5GHz) 256GB (PCIe M.2) options for 512/1024 14.0-in. IGZO QHD+, 3200x1800, capacitive multi-touch http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-blade#QHD+%20-%20256GB What you linked to isn't 2016 Blade.

> 14.0-in. IGZO QHD+, 3200x1800

16:9 is kinda crappy, but 3200x1800 is resolution that works nicely at @2x. Seems better than both the MBP (too low for @2x) and 4K (too high for @2x, too low for @3x).

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, really? What happens when you plug it in? Does it tell you that you can't use it? Does it lock you out? Does it brick the phone? Ohhhh...you meant that you have to get an adapter. Of course you can plug the phone into the new MacBook. The only thing that might be absurd is that you might need an adapter to plug it in but, in reality, there's nothing that you'd really need to plug it in for anyways except to cha…

It is completely absurd and user hostile that you need to buy an adapter to plug it in. I charge my phone in my laptop often.

The phone comes with everything you need to charge it. It is neither absurd nor user-hostile. Inconvenient, maybe. Annoying, yes. Anything else is an exaggeration.
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