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9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what "strategy" you're referring to. If the strategy is to "never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations", then it sounds like he's been trying that strategy. Hundreds of applications, multiple all-day interviews. That actually does seem like he's trying, or at least he's tried in the past. What he should be trying is a new strategy, not pouring more fo…

I think I misunderstood your comment and was responding to a different point. Sorry.

No worries.

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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post #109

There is nothing embarrassing about manual work. When I was 17, at one point, I sold toilet paper, on the street, in a third world country, to get some cash for my PC. Various jobs netted me half the cash for my PC over 6 months. My parents could scrape for the rest. 486dx-120mhz. Right now I'm in a comfortable seniority, renting a townhouse ( Toronto is too expensive to buy) and having a family. The c++ projects kee…

Would you still do so with two kids to feed in an area where the wage for that job wouldn't even feed you, let alone the rest of your family?

We discussed this. Renting is precisely for that purpose. With one kid, and planning for one more, we want to be mobile if need be. Family comes first, area second.

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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There is nothing embarrassing about manual work. When I was 17, at one point, I sold toilet paper, on the street, in a third world country, to get some cash for my PC. Various jobs netted me half the cash for my PC over 6 months. My parents could scrape for the rest. 486dx-120mhz. Right now I'm in a comfortable seniority, renting a townhouse ( Toronto is too expensive to buy) and having a family. The c++ projects kee…

We were traveling in Central America and we passed a mansion on a hill: the biggest, nicest house we'd seen in the country. We asked the driver who lived there, thinking it was perhaps the president's mansion.

He said: "That's the house of the Toilet Paper King."

I've cleaned toilets and programmed computers. I've worked the night shift in a hotel and I've sweated over machines in a sweltering factory. I've sold credit cards and advertising.

Five years I opened a bookstore. Just before I had a conversation with someone who knew my tech background, who was shocked that I would consider entering a dead end industry. I must know future was in tech? Kindle, Amazon, the Internet -- weren't bookstores dead?

Five years in and I make more than I ever did programming. YMMV, but the lesson I learned is do what YOU think is best and don't be ashamed to do what you need to do to get by.

Furthermore, while there may be "dead end jobs", don't ever believe you're in a "dead end life". Stuck working as a oyster diver? Write a best-selling book. Stuck in a patent office? Win a Nobel prize. Stuck in telemarketing? Become a famous actor. You're more than where you are right now.

I'm sure this sounds like heresy to some of you, but you don't have to outrun the bear: you only have to find a temporary local maximum, not an enduring global one. Perfection is the enemy of the good.

“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” -- Oscar Wilde

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

#124
post #92

Bet he voted to "make America Great again". I feel for him but i believe the signs were there about the field he was working in, it's like a car sputtering and running out of gas. The solution would be reeducation, rather than trying to do the same dying job over and over gain.

We've asked you several times not to post like this here, so we've banned the account.

I will really miss those internet points

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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post #119
post #70

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You had Patents at 17?! Kudos! ;) My parents taught me the same way. I have worked many manual labor jobs, and I wouldn't blink an eye to go back if I had to. I wouldn't enjoy it but I have a family to support and I do what I must

I wouldn't enjoy it but I have a family to support and I do what I must What if you didn't have to support your family, since your wife could to that for you? Would you still feel the same drive to do so if it wasn't a "must"? Personally I feel that that is the crux of the article. He knows he can get a job, but he also knows he doesn't need to, and the sort of jobs he could get won't make a huge difference to their…

Yes, I agree with you.

Feeling "useful" is subjective but can influence one's self esteem a great deal.

On the other end, not having choices can also be motivational. For example, surviving on a single slice of pizza every day ( because it's tax free if it's a slice) will do wonders for motivation once you have a job.

So, it depends, happiness is subjective, but choices matter.

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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post #64

What caught my eye is the fact that the author is surrounded by well paid people in the same field but he is not leveraging the Network that is at his disposal because he doesn't want to tell them the truth. To me this is the key of the issue. Asking for help may bring you the help you need, while not asking at all definitely won't bring you anything.

The author acknowledges this paradox at the bottom of the article:

"That’s where the irony lies. I know that the way you get jobs is by getting out there and telling people you’re looking. Using your acquaintances as a network and strengthening social connections is the best way to eventually land employment.

One day I’ll work up the courage. For now, my desperation is a quiet one, hiding behind school soccer pickups and the glow of a computer screen. For now, it’s still my secret."

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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post #108

> There have been times where I’ve wondered if I should just get a temporary service or manual labor job to help out with extra cash. But I’m worried about getting stuck in a position with even less room for growth than my previous jobs. And to be honest, I would be too humiliated. Our social circle, made up of mostly well-paid tech workers and professionals, has no idea how bad our situation has been. It would be ex…

There are more practical considerations. Would you want to hire a 40-year old programmer who had just spent the last 3 months flipping burgers because he couldn't find a job? The stigma is real and it's more than just pride. A fall from middle class to lower class can become permanent through nothing more than that stigma. With that comes a higher mortality rate across the board.

> Would you want to hire a 40-year old programmer who had just spent the last 3 months flipping burgers because he couldn't find a job?

I wouldn't care, personally. You gotta do what you gotta do.

Also, that implies that you have to disclose your entire employment history. You can skip over jobs that don't directly apply to the job you're currently applying for.

> The stigma is real and it's more than just pride.

No, it's pretty much just pride. There's no stigma, at least in my social circles. To take care of your kids and your family you do whatever it is that needs doing.

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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> There have been times where I’ve wondered if I should just get a temporary service or manual labor job to help out with extra cash. But I’m worried about getting stuck in a position with even less room for growth than my previous jobs. And to be honest, I would be too humiliated. Our social circle, made up of mostly well-paid tech workers and professionals, has no idea how bad our situation has been. It would be ex…

Because the author of this article is hoping this goes viral. If this goes viral, he is going to receive a lot of emails from people wanting to donate money to him and offer him jobs.

The author knows exactly what he is doing and he is succeeding. I'm certain he will either have several thousand dollars in donations or a high-paying job by the end of the week.

This is the age of entitlement. You only have to do what you feel like doing and feelings are all that matter.

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

#129
post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was only three months, I wouldn't list the burger-flipping job on my resume. I think I'd be fine leaving any gap less than a year in duration on my resume. A year or more, I'd want to account for.

What if the interviewer saw you flipping burgers a month ago?

So what? What if the interviewer saw you digging ditches a month ago? What does that have to do with your resume or job performance?

Re: 9M American men in prime working age can’t find jobs. I’m one of them

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To anyone recommending different approaches that could help this guy get a job - look at it from the other side. There are 9 million unemployed men such as this one (according to the article). This doesn't mean that there are 9 million job openings out there, just waiting for someone with the right resume to show up. Sure, there are probably some, but mostly, this simply means there are 9 million more workers than jo…

> There are 9 million unemployed men

> this simply means there are 9 million more workers than jobs

what an outrageous and uninformed thing to say. Can you please edit or delete your comment?

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