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Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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> They have the capital to startup and launch in probably any industry, They tried that more than a few times and failed. X-box worked, but portable music players, mobile and search would be things they pumped massive amounts of money into and didn't get very far with. But yes, I would like choice above all. I am not a big Windows fan, but Android is really starting to annoy me and iOS (or at least the rules around i…

Bing has 30-40% of the market for search. Remember lots of search engines are just rebranded bing.

That's a pretty big claim.. Hate to be that person but do you have any sources on that?

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Even if the OS itself is free, using the modem requires a non-free blob. That's why I prefer to keep my phone and PC separate.

Do you have access to the firmware code in your keyboard? Your monitor? I'm not criticizing your decision, and it's certainly yours to make, but people (and also Stallman) draw such very strange lines of demarcation about this stuff.

Some devices give access to that stuff, I believe. See the upcoming Pyra for a fully-open hardware Linux PC that's about the size of a Nintendo DS. And see Keyboard.IO for a fully-open keyboard, including source code, hardware design, etc.

Though it is a good question that raises a lot of questions of what things we're using have source in them that we can't touch that we don't normally think about. I don't think I'd ever thought about firmware in a monitor or keyboard.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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You can buy a 7" Fire tablet for $50. The market is not lacking options for frugal customers.

It's a start, Amazon is smart to move in that market. I say put Linux on it and add a keyboard and we'd be getting somewhere.

The market for people who care about Linux on a 7" tablet is effectively zero.

I'm also pretty sure it supports keyboards. Attaching one permanently and turning it into a 7" laptop would make it unsellable.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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I enthusiastically started using windows mail when I switched to win8, and then discovered that file attachments were severely broken. They disappear from emails over time, and rather than fix the problem, it was suggested that we move a message from one IMAP folder to another to make them reappear. I wonder if they seriously thought anyone would put themselves through that. That said, I am still a windows phone user…

Whilst bitching heavily about it earlier, I've got to be honest here. If they fix the people, mail and calendar app bugs, which they are doing rapidly, it destroys Apple and Google's offerings. I've only used them with an outlook.com and office 365 account so far but it really has potential. Just please Microsoft, don't screw it all up and feature dump too hard! For reference I went on a six month long hiatus after u…

The developer experience is miles ahead of Android, even when looking at the phone/store split they had on 8.x.

The only downside was having accelerated graphics only available as pure COM instead of WinRT components, but even there the situation is improving.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Don't think of just the American markets, think of developing markets. India is mobile first. Most people don't have a PC, and may never have a PC.

Would they need it?

I'd say the more important question is: Can microsoft afford to not target it?

As for the answer to your question: Sure, why not? theres many limitations to a small screen. If all you need is a screen and keyboard dock, then why not?

You'll get cheap "phone docks" at home, and it would be like carrying your brief case to and from work.

If it works of course. Big if.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Were the background images always there in Windows 10 mail? It honestly looks like an amateur access app from the 90's.

I enthusiastically started using windows mail when I switched to win8, and then discovered that file attachments were severely broken. They disappear from emails over time, and rather than fix the problem, it was suggested that we move a message from one IMAP folder to another to make them reappear. I wonder if they seriously thought anyone would put themselves through that. That said, I am still a windows phone user…

Amazon only pulled theirs from Windows Phone 8.x.

It is there for Windows Phone 10.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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I don't understand all the hate here. Either it will work well or it won't, and the market will decide if it gets to live or die. For a company with resources like Microsoft that has its fingers in so many corners of the market, this seems like a workable, if inelegant, business strategy. I am much more interested in the technical details of such technology. How are they doing this? Is it pure emulation? JIT transpil…

Maw, the emulation is for binary-only apps.

.NET can already be built to ARM CLR bytecode, or to ARM native/machine code.

This is for apps where you don't, and quite possibly never did, have the source.

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