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Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Post by petra »

mhomde wrote: post #16

I'm more than a little confused about MS "mobile" strategy. Continuum sounds like a good idea, in theory. For enterprise I can kinda see it be attractive to just give your employees mobile phones and hook the office up with continuum docks. But it seems problematic in more than one aspect. For starters it's based on the fact that people are going to want to use a windows mobile as their primary device to start with.…

The continuum stuff is maybe the long term plan. But i think they could have a decent short term plan:

What about an affordable 7"-8" tablet that can offer windows mobile gaming(with an add-on joystick) and media + serve as a computer + serve as a media center ? could be a great fit for a the gamer niche, teens , and frugal consumers.

And a 7" platfrom is a great beachhead to encourage app development for 5" phones.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Post by eropple »

artursapek wrote: post #53
joe_momma wrote: post #9

This is the future but even better if it were without wires...

I'm starting to lose hope about losing wires. I use them whenever I can because wireless solutions tend to be spotty and eat lots of battery power. Are people optimistic that we'll ever truly get rid of wires?

I think latency-sensitive or quality-sensitive applications are pretty much always going to require wires at some level of tolerance. I'm barely willing to put up with my Bluetooth headphones when I'm exercising; h.264-blocky and lagging displays is no bueno. And maybe there's a technological solution we haven't yet explored, but a lot of this strikes me as kind of core to "these aren't just wires that light up, we're decoding radio waves and have to do a bunch of logic to make them comprehensible".

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Post by ak217 »

Ironic that instead of working on establishing a proper mobile software platform, Microsoft is spending enormous resources on escaping the Intel ecosystem just as Intel is finally getting a handle on pushing its x86 line into smartphone power consumption territory.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Post by flukus »

setq wrote: post #36

Microsoft are telling us this. When they deliver it I'll believe it. As a Microsoft focused developer for 22 years and a windows phone user, everything still feels like its held together by sticky tape and string at the moment. It works but inconsistency and sometimes show stopping failures just ruin it. As an example, Windows 10 Mail just stopped working for me for 11 hours throwing an update settings notification l…

Were the background images always there in Windows 10 mail? It honestly looks like an amateur access app from the 90's.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Post by setq »

flukus wrote: post #114
setq wrote: post #36

Microsoft are telling us this. When they deliver it I'll believe it. As a Microsoft focused developer for 22 years and a windows phone user, everything still feels like its held together by sticky tape and string at the moment. It works but inconsistency and sometimes show stopping failures just ruin it. As an example, Windows 10 Mail just stopped working for me for 11 hours throwing an update settings notification l…

Were the background images always there in Windows 10 mail? It honestly looks like an amateur access app from the 90's.

Yes. First thing I turned off.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Post by derekp7 »

no1youknowz wrote: post #4

As soon as I saw Ubuntu Edge back in 2013, I have been dreaming of the day something like Continuum is a reality and not just for Windows. For Linux and MacOS as well. Hopefully, it's not to far off now.

This is something I've wanted for a few years now (even before the Edge). But the more I think about it, the less sense it makes. To explain, let's examine a couple variations.

First, you have your phone which connects to a dock, which lets your keyboard and monitor connect to the phone. Now, replace the dock with a full computer, but uses the phone for storage. If you had these two systems side-by-side, could you tell which one you were using?

I guess that there is something to having your state be saved, so you can take your phone off the cradle, connect it to another device, and resume all your open apps. But the same could be done if the cradle is a full computer, and undocking the phone does a suspend-to-disk (remember the phone is the storage device). You'd just have to have that action integrated into the undock button. But overall, I think I would be better served by having the phone be the storage device for my desktop computing environment, instead of also being the CPU, GPU, storage, RAM, network, usb, and everything else.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Post by euyyn »

UK-AL wrote: post #90
tluyben2 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have the capital to startup and launch in probably any industry, They tried that more than a few times and failed. X-box worked, but portable music players, mobile and search would be things they pumped massive amounts of money into and didn't get very far with. But yes, I would like choice above all. I am not a big Windows fan, but Android is really starting to annoy me and iOS (or at least the rules around i…

Bing has 30-40% of the market for search. Remember lots of search engines are just rebranded bing.

This https://www.searchenginejournal.com/august-2016-search-marke... says Google is 80% on desktop, higher if you count mobile too (for which it is 95%).

Oh, if you mean US only then these other people https://www.statista.com/statistics/267161/market-share-of-s... say Google is 64%, yeah.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Post by roryisok »

flukus wrote: post #114
setq wrote: post #36

Microsoft are telling us this. When they deliver it I'll believe it. As a Microsoft focused developer for 22 years and a windows phone user, everything still feels like its held together by sticky tape and string at the moment. It works but inconsistency and sometimes show stopping failures just ruin it. As an example, Windows 10 Mail just stopped working for me for 11 hours throwing an update settings notification l…

Were the background images always there in Windows 10 mail? It honestly looks like an amateur access app from the 90's.

I enthusiastically started using windows mail when I switched to win8, and then discovered that file attachments were severely broken. They disappear from emails over time, and rather than fix the problem, it was suggested that we move a message from one IMAP folder to another to make them reappear. I wonder if they seriously thought anyone would put themselves through that.

That said, I am still a windows phone user. Yeah, there are no apps (even less these days, amazon and ebay actually pulled theirs from the store) but the UI is so neat, and i like to think having fewer apps makes me more productive.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Post by roryisok »

pedalpete wrote: post #100
mhomde wrote: post #16

I'm more than a little confused about MS "mobile" strategy. Continuum sounds like a good idea, in theory. For enterprise I can kinda see it be attractive to just give your employees mobile phones and hook the office up with continuum docks. But it seems problematic in more than one aspect. For starters it's based on the fact that people are going to want to use a windows mobile as their primary device to start with.…

"So what is Microsoft's plan, now it seems they're just throwing stuff on the walls and to see what sticks." Yes, and this is exactly what they should be doing. In some ways, it is what Microsoft has often done in the past. Remember Windows Tablet circa 2004? It may have been a complete failure, but it shows Microsoft was looking toward and understood the future. Unfortunately it came at a time when Microsoft was not…

Absolutely agree. "seeing what sticks" is also called innovation. It's what Amazon and Microsoft are excelling at and what Apple has forgotten how to do

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Post by cmdrfred »

petra wrote: post #111
mhomde wrote: post #16

I'm more than a little confused about MS "mobile" strategy. Continuum sounds like a good idea, in theory. For enterprise I can kinda see it be attractive to just give your employees mobile phones and hook the office up with continuum docks. But it seems problematic in more than one aspect. For starters it's based on the fact that people are going to want to use a windows mobile as their primary device to start with.…

The continuum stuff is maybe the long term plan. But i think they could have a decent short term plan: What about an affordable 7"-8" tablet that can offer windows mobile gaming(with an add-on joystick) and media + serve as a computer + serve as a media center ? could be a great fit for a the gamer niche, teens , and frugal consumers. And a 7" platfrom is a great beachhead to encourage app development for 5" phones.

>frugal consumers

I feel like nobody is attempting to hit that market anymore in the US. As the income gap widens it seems foolish to ignore the majority of the marketplace.

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