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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by eridius »

problems wrote: post #41
water42 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any proof of this? I haven't heard this before and they certainly have an active enough community to push things to the r/all quickly.

Trump supporters turned out to be 47% of voters and it's been said many times he had a strong base of energized young people. It's entirely possible it's fully legitimate in my mind at least.

From what I've read, Trump didn't actually get any more votes than republicans in the past few presidential races, it's just the democratic turnout was a lot lower than expected, i.e. fewer people overall voted (or more voted for the third-parties).

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by weinzierl »

Avshalom wrote: post #185
bradfitz wrote: post #160

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The background is that we have some official spaces and some unofficial spaces. I thought our subreddit was an official space that we created. It turns out we didn't create it, so it's not ours to delete. I'm now proposing we just make it unofficial.

>>It turns out we didn't create it No shit. https://imgur.com/a/K2cWx

Uriel did. Unfortunately we can't ask him about his opinion anymore.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by RandomInteger4 »

010a wrote: post #237
freehunter wrote: post #192

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Closing /r/golang would only hurt the people who subscribe to /r/golang, which is probably not /u/spez. If I'm mad at the US president, burning down my house isn't an effective protest and would hurt basically everyone but the president.

Moving your community to another platform which has a better history of respecting their users isn't metaphorically similar to burning your house down. Its more like immigrating to Canada because Trump won.

If there are 25,000 users in a community, then it's not "your" community.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by dang »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #95

The CEO of Google was busted by his emails for conspiring to suppress wages. WikiLeaks recently released a 2014 email[1] from Eric where he appears to conspire with the Clinton campaign/dnc to have "low paid permanent employees". [1] https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262 E: bots are out?

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13037590 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by dang »

sachel1sta wrote: post #153
jsprogrammer wrote: post #95

The CEO of Google was busted by his emails for conspiring to suppress wages. WikiLeaks recently released a 2014 email[1] from Eric where he appears to conspire with the Clinton campaign/dnc to have "low paid permanent employees". [1] https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262 E: bots are out?

Your text is nearly white within 19 minutes of being posted. It's obvious HackerNews is not safe--from certain people.

It's plainly off-topic, and the worst kind of off-topic tangent: the kind that makes a thread even more generically political.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by dang »

wtbob wrote: post #55

> The sensible amongst us should be above childish drama like this. Are there many sensible among us? Remember, this is an industry in which a CTO would fire an employee for using proper English[0]. It's an industry where a CEO called for employees who voted for a candidate he opposed to resign. We passed the point of insensibility a long time ago. [0] Bryan Cantrill stated in 2013 that Joyent will fire any employee…

Please don't take HN threads on generic ideological tangents. This is like a poster child of that.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13037254 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by forgetsusername »

eridius wrote: post #249
TeMPOraL wrote: post #129

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Because the power is there and it's tempting to use. Restarting Buzz may not have economic sense for Google, but abusing admin-edit powers has obvious value for the abusers and may be hard to catch if the abuser is not an idiot. "Opportunity makes a thief", and all.

The power has always been there. The fact that it's taken until now for the CEO to use it suggests that it's not actually ripe for abuse. And the fact that the CEO immediately reverted it, apologized, and is watching the community blow up, serves as even further motivation for not abusing this power again.

>The fact that it's taken until now for the CEO to use it suggests that it's not actually ripe for abuse.

And you know this how, exactly? Because the perpetrator said so?

I find the scenario that this was the first and only time this was done implausible.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by m3talsmith »

johnnydoebk wrote: post #200
bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

I'd make the subreddit unofficial, too but for other reasons. It is a very unwelcoming place. I'm not the first one who's saying this, but it's really a shame how toxic the /r/golang is.

In order to keep this from being swept under the rug, I can say that I highly empathize with you. I will also say that this issue has improved greatly. When I used to hang out in #gonuts it used to be worse.

I blame this on the egos and the expectations of early adopters and contributors. They came from a point of senior systems programmers. As the language grew in popularity, they were unprepared psychologically for dealing with new or junior programmers: the level of questions put forth were things the original crew had learned early in their careers and took for granted.

It is often this way in early languages. We need to always make room for those who are just learning, or are not experienced as those who initially created the language or space. I have seen this improving in the Golang community. The more new people come in, the more it will improve.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by lognan »

freehunter wrote: post #192
xg15 wrote: post #138

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> Spez's actions harm himself more than users of the site. I'm not sure. If everyone would say "alright, it was incorrect but we don't want any internet drama", then how exactly would it hurt him? Closing a subreddit seems to me like exactly the kind of thing that could communicate a "not OK". I think it's especially necessary as the edits had been done in a trump support group subreddit. Even though I don't agree wi…

Closing /r/golang would only hurt the people who subscribe to /r/golang, which is probably not /u/spez. If I'm mad at the US president, burning down my house isn't an effective protest and would hurt basically everyone but the president.

One act of self-immolation is widely credited with catalyzing the Arab Spring.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by freehunter »

010a wrote: post #237
freehunter wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Closing /r/golang would only hurt the people who subscribe to /r/golang, which is probably not /u/spez. If I'm mad at the US president, burning down my house isn't an effective protest and would hurt basically everyone but the president.

Moving your community to another platform which has a better history of respecting their users isn't metaphorically similar to burning your house down. Its more like immigrating to Canada because Trump won.

If he just left reddit and deleted his account, that's one thing. Shutting down the community and deleting the content is another. But going through steps to make sure that community can never rebuilt itself after it's gone is so far beyond a protest against one person that I can't even believe it's being considered.

Literally, in that Google Groups conversation they said they wanted to delete everything and make it private so no one could ever use it again. That's insane.

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