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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by problems »

water42 wrote: post #28
rocketpastsix wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

Do you have any proof of this? I haven't heard this before and they certainly have an active enough community to push things to the r/all quickly.

Trump supporters turned out to be 47% of voters and it's been said many times he had a strong base of energized young people. It's entirely possible it's fully legitimate in my mind at least.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by wofo »

Note that the discussion on the golang subreddit [1] has a very different tone. One comment that particularly drew my attention is:

> So people that rarely use this subreddit want to get rid of it? Okay.

It seems like the Google Groups people are not the same as the r/golang people.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/5eqs64/proposal_to_...

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by meowface »

BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

>The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it.

Many comments.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by problems »

zapu wrote: post #39
potatosoup wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As one of many T_D users, I sure love to be called a Russian bot. So, citation needed. Edit: to people downvoting, please elaborate.

I'm far from stating that t_d used bots to push submissions up, because there is no definite proof, but what I know for sure is that the US election ruined browsing /r/all for me. While it was mostly porn and memes before, every now and then I would bump into something interesting from a subreddit I didn't know. But during the election it was 90% of either t_d or sandersforpresident. EDIT: Apparently reddit has chang…

Reddit actually tweaked the /r/all algorithm to change this.

Which basically looks like a political move and it is kind of sketchy in that regard, but for users like you it's probably beneficial.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by toomuchtodo »

mibbiting wrote: post #27
AlexeyBrin wrote: post #16

Closing a thriving community just because an admin feels some moral imperative to do it is just short sided. If you don't like Reddit, write a blog post, blow some steam, delete your Reddit account, be as critical as you wish, but don't kill a community just because you can.

I feel like some people don't understand the gravity of what he did. He edited someone elses comments. What is the point in being part of a community where the website owners may be editing random comments? It undermines the whole thing. Let me ask a question. If it turned out that Google had started selectively "editing" peoples email coming from Gmail, would you still be fine using Gmail?

There is no gravity. People are overreacting, that's all. Spez simply did what other sites are able to do but never admit if they do or not.

GPG sign everything online if you're concerned about your data changing. Even HN could change your comments if they wanted. What's stopping people? "Trust"?

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by AlexeyBrin »

mibbiting wrote: post #27
AlexeyBrin wrote: post #16

Closing a thriving community just because an admin feels some moral imperative to do it is just short sided. If you don't like Reddit, write a blog post, blow some steam, delete your Reddit account, be as critical as you wish, but don't kill a community just because you can.

I feel like some people don't understand the gravity of what he did. He edited someone elses comments. What is the point in being part of a community where the website owners may be editing random comments? It undermines the whole thing. Let me ask a question. If it turned out that Google had started selectively "editing" peoples email coming from Gmail, would you still be fine using Gmail?

So the answer to censoring is more censoring, let's nuke an entire community just because I'm on a moral high horse!

Also I fully understand what Spez did and I find it not OK. If you don't agree with what an admin did, you could ask for the respective admin/CEO to resign. The answer should not be to delete a community that you don't own on a whim.

If Google started modifying my emails, I would stop using Gmail and advise my friends not to use Gmail. But I won't ask for Gmail to be killed/deleted just because I don't like it or I don't agree with it.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by nurettin »

problems wrote: post #34
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

I'm not so sure dismissing this as "childish drama" is smart. Sure, it's technically possible, but technical possibility does not mean it should be used, especially in this sort of way. I don't think it's a bad idea to disassociate yourself from a company who's behaving in a way you don't want to condone.

It may not be smart, but it definitely is not stupid as you might have insinuated.

Individuals deciding to exit because they disagree with company policy (editing content and apologizing) is one thing, forcing others, who don't care about stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories, to do the same is entirely something else. (that something else is borderline despotic)

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by wmil »

AlexeyBrin wrote: post #16

Closing a thriving community just because an admin feels some moral imperative to do it is just short sided. If you don't like Reddit, write a blog post, blow some steam, delete your Reddit account, be as critical as you wish, but don't kill a community just because you can.

If I was cynical I'd guess that it's too difficult to arbitrarily enforce the 'Go Community Guidelines' without criticism on Reddit.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by wildmusings »

BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

I have no opinion whatsoever in this controversy about the golang sub. But I'd like to call out something in particular about the point you're making:

I see this kind of reductionism to what's "technically possible" a lot around here in regards to security and user trust. Let's go back to meatspace to get a more balanced perspective perhaps. Your mailman can read your mail and steal your packages. Your bank can steal your money. Your waiter can poison you. Your car mechanic can overcharge you.

It's not about what's "technically possible" (though a solution to make it technically impossible would be useful). It's about TRUST in another human being who is in a position of power. Trust is built by having a long record of good behavior and can be destroyed by a single bad action.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by wolf550e »

zapu wrote: post #39
potatosoup wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As one of many T_D users, I sure love to be called a Russian bot. So, citation needed. Edit: to people downvoting, please elaborate.

I'm far from stating that t_d used bots to push submissions up, because there is no definite proof, but what I know for sure is that the US election ruined browsing /r/all for me. While it was mostly porn and memes before, every now and then I would bump into something interesting from a subreddit I didn't know. But during the election it was 90% of either t_d or sandersforpresident. EDIT: Apparently reddit has chang…

You should use RES to filter out political subreddits from r/all.
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