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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by wvenable »

kazinator wrote: post #81

The CEO edited comments critical of him . Did that happen in the golang subreddit? If so, those comments should in fact be deleted entirely. Criticizing the CEO of Reddit is not topical in a golang subreddit; it is off-topic trolling.

I think even saying the comments were critical gives them too much credit. He edited comments that were harassment to, childishly, redirect them to other people. But this is small potatoes really.

Reddit has multiple faces; if you're in your technology subreddit you exist in another world from all the literally crazy drama and harassment that goes on. Running reddit is not likely to be a pleasant experience anymore.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by visarga »

heroprotagonist wrote: post #18

So.. here's the thing. I think that spez did everyone a favor by editing those user comments. We know that politicians and corporations game the system already with fake accounts, presumably as a tool for manipulating public opinion. We know from the code that user comments aren't encrypted at all, or their voting tallies. It would require a very small tweak to manipulate things from the server side. Given that, user…

If spez wants to fix this, he needs to set up a trusted third party backup of comments as they evolve in time, to guarantee that comments remain unedited by admins. It needs to be done in a secure way that prevents tampering.

This service could be extended by the community to other social feeds and blogs - just archive them to have traces of their change in time.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Tinyyy »

bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by rublev »

BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

Someone has to make a stand. People moving their communities off of reddit is a great thing. That place is a disorganized, broken, low quality cess pool. Let's skip the "B-B-But you have to find the good small subreddits!". Even those are mostly shit and in-jokes. Reddit is a former shell of its past.

>Spez's actions harm himself more than users of the site.

If people like you keep defending him for really no reason. People lose jobs over much less. I think he has got to go.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by mankash666 »

Yes. Let's delete our accounts from Google for Google's unfair treatment of protonmail and yelp in yesteryears. Let's get off Facebook for fake stories swinging elections. Don't even get me started on Microsoft, just get off it.

Get off everything. Everything sucks

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by phonon »

ikeboy wrote: post #74
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

I bet that the CEO of Google would have a very difficult time, if even possible, editing individual emails sent or received with gmail, editing YouTube comments, etc.

Look at what happened to Gavin Belson...

http://www.coderag.com/gavin-belsons-hooli-scrub-scandal/

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by briandear »

bradfitz wrote: post #69
Tharkun wrote: post #9

Their motivation for leaving Reddit is incredibly silly. Especially given that Google Groups -- of all things -- is their preferred alternative.

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. Google Groups is not my preferred alternative by any means. Google Groups is a 1990's webmail interface to crappy but federated SMTP. There is very little to like about it, but at least the underlying protocol (SMTP) is federated. It is NOT an alternative to Reddit, which has a nice UI & voting system. It's unfortunate that Reddit is not a reliable platform which can be…

Did Reddit modify your content? Was the CEO's action in anyway suggestive that he would pose an actual risk to the Go community? Because I'm seeing a theoretical and unlikely risk as opposed to one that's something about which to worry.

I think this is an overreaction. If Google were found to be manipulating search results, would that be cause to leave Google? If Google were collecting information in a means inconsistent with user privacy agreements would that be cause to leave? How about Google collecting wifi data in violation of several countries' laws? (To be fair, the wifi issue is a fact the others are just hypotheticals.)

My point is if we are becoming self righteous about the CEO of Reddit doing something stupid, must we also maintain similar outrage when Google does something illegal or unethical as well?

We might run out of internet if we disengaged every time a company did something stupid.

The question that really should be asked: is this an ongoing pattern of behavior that harms users or is this just a knee-jerk bout of self-righteousness?

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by ryanlol »

Tinyyy wrote: post #123
bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

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How is that not almost exactly what he is suggesting? His just includes that Go project also distance themselves from reddit, which is more than reasonable.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by TeMPOraL »

nurettin wrote: post #59
problems wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again "stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories" this is not. An admin abused their power. It's ripe for abuse and they've proven they're willing to abuse it and not mature enough to treat that power respectfully. I have a hard time respecting a company with someone like that as CEO. No conspiracy, no politics, just what happened.

Willing to abuse it - that is conspiracy -. How do you know that something done once will repeat? Will google restart google buzz because they did it once? Will everyone jump ship to RoR because they did it before? I am doing everything I can not to create strawmen believe me, but your explanation simply does not cut it.

Because the power is there and it's tempting to use. Restarting Buzz may not have economic sense for Google, but abusing admin-edit powers has obvious value for the abusers and may be hard to catch if the abuser is not an idiot. "Opportunity makes a thief", and all.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by hota_mazi »

I thought it was a joke but I realize they are seriously considering doing this.

Overreaction much?

People want to talk about Go, regardless of how the Go team feels about reddit's ethics. I'm not sure what doing this will serve except lead to the creation of another Go subreddit that's no longer moderated by the Go team.

Really su2rprised and disappointed by bradfitz and team's childish (over)reaction to this.

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