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Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Post by pawadu »

bandushrew wrote: post #65
johansch wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But all the other vendors suck. We're all having this conversation because we hold Apple to a higher standard. And more pragramatically speaking, because we're tied to OS X, which is really the only desktop OS that does not suck immensely on a laptop.

and THATS why we pay the 40% margin. the choices are: buy a desktop OS that sucks immensely from from a vendor who sucks, or pay a mere 40% extra. feels cheap to me.

>> But all the other vendors suck.

...

> buy a desktop OS that sucks immensely from from a vendor who sucks

Come on guys! If you want to buy Apple, then buy Apple. No need to crap on EVERYONE ELSE like this to justify your choices.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Post by j45 »

eridius wrote: post #55
j45 wrote: post #33

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I have one for each of my desk setups at work and home. I don't think I'm the majority in any way but I don't think it's that uncommon either. USB-C cables are cheap enough anyways as long as you find one that can handle the power and amperage

Everybody that I've ever worked with (that uses an MBP) has an external monitor at work, and external monitors provide power so you don't need a separate charging brick.

I think you might be referring to the thunderbolt display. I run 2 or 3 27" monitors. The thunderbolt displays have not interested me because they haven't been updated in so long. Many developers don't use the apple displays and instead a solid dell, asus, etc as most of their work is text based.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Post by j45 »

micaksica wrote: post #23

Too far? Apple is a luxury good. You are buying the Prada, the Audi/BMW/Benz/etc of laptops - they position themselves at the high end market and will extract as much margin as they can from that market. These price increases follow suit with their aspirational positioning. There is no "too far", just what their target market with a lot of discretionary income will still purchase.

Apple equipment isn't just premium or luxury, it's truly better built and engineered than the average or high end laptop PC. It's only been a year or two that PC's have started catching up, with machines like the zenbook 3, x1, etc.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Post by eridius »

j45 wrote: post #82
eridius wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody that I've ever worked with (that uses an MBP) has an external monitor at work, and external monitors provide power so you don't need a separate charging brick.

I think you might be referring to the thunderbolt display. I run 2 or 3 27" monitors. The thunderbolt displays have not interested me because they haven't been updated in so long. Many developers don't use the apple displays and instead a solid dell, asus, etc as most of their work is text based.

Everybody here at work uses Thunderbolt displays, but with the new MBP, if you're using a USB-C display, it should also provide the same functionality.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Post by eridius »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #74
eridius wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody that I've ever worked with (that uses an MBP) has an external monitor at work, and external monitors provide power so you don't need a separate charging brick.

Isn't that limited to Apple displays?

USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 displays can do this too.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Post by eridius »

quink wrote: post #59
eridius wrote: post #29

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I'm pretty sure ThinkPads cost more than $160.

A$266 for two complete power supplies. I just hopped on eBay and surprisingly lightly used T- or X-series ThinkPads i5 and some i7 for under that price, shipped. Sure, they hold no candle to the MacBook's display. But when you could buy literally ten ThinkPads for a MacBook with effectively the same non-screen specs there's a bit of a gap there. And I've had way more problems with Apple build quality over the years t…

Two power supplies is $160. The extension cable isn't necessary, and the USB-C cable is just a generic USB-C cable that you can get from anywhere (and in fact you don't even need to get one if you just keep your existing cable with your laptop) And you're also comparing brand new top-of-the-line Apple equipment with used computers.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Post by reustle »

asp_hornet wrote: post #64
reustle wrote: post #45

Well, I'm at least excited that this cable is a separate piece. I'm tired of needing to get a new macbook charger every time the joint of the white thin wire and the brick gets bent out of shape.

That's not the problem. The problem is there isn't one included with the charger. It doesn't need to be sold only included or only separately.

I understand that problem, I was just pointing out the silver lining :)

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Post by quink »

eridius wrote: post #86
quink wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A$266 for two complete power supplies. I just hopped on eBay and surprisingly lightly used T- or X-series ThinkPads i5 and some i7 for under that price, shipped. Sure, they hold no candle to the MacBook's display. But when you could buy literally ten ThinkPads for a MacBook with effectively the same non-screen specs there's a bit of a gap there. And I've had way more problems with Apple build quality over the years t…

Two power supplies is $160. The extension cable isn't necessary, and the USB-C cable is just a generic USB-C cable that you can get from anywhere (and in fact you don't even need to get one if you just keep your existing cable with your laptop) And you're also comparing brand new top-of-the-line Apple equipment with used computers.

Alright, I guess I can only buy six or eight lightly used Core i7, 256GB SSD, 8GB upgradeable RAM ThinkPads for the cost of a MacBook Pro instead of 10.

And you're calling a laptop with a Core i5 with integrated graphics "top-of-the-line". I guess top-of-the-line is a distorted concept when the absolute top of the line for the company hasn't been touched in 3 years and that I could outclass by a factor of three in every way for a third of the price.

My point isn't that you can't afford it, good on you. My point is that the barrier of entry for your BRIC or even EU consumer or developer is going to be unreasonable.

And sure, they're going to get their USB-C cables elsewhere. But that guy in Rio is meant to be paying... $4100 for the cheapest device with an official mac OS touch bar for the time being.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Post by eridius »

quink wrote: post #88
eridius wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two power supplies is $160. The extension cable isn't necessary, and the USB-C cable is just a generic USB-C cable that you can get from anywhere (and in fact you don't even need to get one if you just keep your existing cable with your laptop) And you're also comparing brand new top-of-the-line Apple equipment with used computers.

Alright, I guess I can only buy six or eight lightly used Core i7, 256GB SSD, 8GB upgradeable RAM ThinkPads for the cost of a MacBook Pro instead of 10. And you're calling a laptop with a Core i5 with integrated graphics "top-of-the-line". I guess top-of-the-line is a distorted concept when the absolute top of the line for the company hasn't been touched in 3 years and that I could outclass by a factor of three in ev…

Barrier of entry? What the hell are you talking about? You're literally talking about the most expensive laptop Apple has and pretending it has anything at all to do with entry. That's preposterous.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Post by j45 »

eridius wrote: post #84
j45 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might be referring to the thunderbolt display. I run 2 or 3 27" monitors. The thunderbolt displays have not interested me because they haven't been updated in so long. Many developers don't use the apple displays and instead a solid dell, asus, etc as most of their work is text based.

Everybody here at work uses Thunderbolt displays, but with the new MBP, if you're using a USB-C display, it should also provide the same functionality.

Good to know. I'm not sprinting towards the new MBP but look forward to the next gen hardware in that form-factor, not to mention hopefully some very polished and performant usb-c docks
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