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Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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I'm ever curious about this topic - what do you define as innovation?

Innovation means doing something new, doesn't it? The last Apple-ish innovation I saw out of Apple was that "magic" touch-pad that just feels like you're pressing it down, even though you are not. What they have done recently with the new Macbook Pro and iPhone 7 does not really qualify as "innovation" - they have reduced functionality (CPU power/battery and headphone jack, respectively) - and in turn made the goods…

>Innovation means doing something new, doesn't it?

In the consumer space innovation means putting something in the market in a novel way (and especially one that matters to people). Not discovering something from scratch, consumer electronics are not about basic research.

I.e. we had tons of mp3 players before the iPod, but it was how it was put together that made it better (for the millions who increasingly adopted it).

>The last Apple-ish innovation I saw out of Apple was that "magic" touch-pad that just feels like you're pressing it down, even though you are not.

They design their own industry leading chips and logic boards for the iPhone and Apple Watch, they do haptic engines, they did novel engineering to water-proof the watch, the work with new materials all the time, they put out new enhanced gamut displays, they have a great new wireless audio processor they designed, they created and put out a new graphics API and a whole new programming language (Swift), and several other things besides, all in the span of the last 5 years.

>I disagree - it's not functional (it changes over time, non-newbies don't look at the keyboard, it kills muscle-memory

It's like expensive professional touch control boards -- it can greatly enhance productivity for lots of professional domains, from mixing colors for paint apps to skipping frames in a NLE or applying filters (multitouch too) through sliders in a DAW, etc.

It's also a fully programmable secondary multi-touch display, tons of things can be done with it per app. Muscle memory is still retained as long as the virtual keys fall in the same place per app -- same as keyboard shortcuts, that change between different pro apps, but pro users still remember each set.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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> the $69 (13-inch model) or $79 (15-inch model) power adapter I wonder why they have two separate adapters and couldn't make one for both. Seems to add a bit of fragmentation.

I do not know if the prices were different in the past, but 13" laptops previously used a 60W power adapter, while the 15" used an 80W

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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I have one for each of my desk setups at work and home. I don't think I'm the majority in any way but I don't think it's that uncommon either. USB-C cables are cheap enough anyways as long as you find one that can handle the power and amperage

Everybody that I've ever worked with (that uses an MBP) has an external monitor at work, and external monitors provide power so you don't need a separate charging brick.

Isn't that limited to Apple displays?

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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The Macbook (2016) itself does come with a USB-C cable for the power adapter right...? Does it?

Yes - a fact that most people seem to be forgetting. People will be less apt to complain when they realize they don't have to replace their entire adapter when they wear down the cable as is the case now.

Although there was no technical reason that the old chargers had to have a moulded-on DC cable. In fact it may have been better from a usability and durability perspective if the DC cable had had a Magsafe connector at each end, one for the PSU and one for the laptop.

And with that design they wouldn't have needed to introduce a new charger at all..

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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> the $69 (13-inch model) or $79 (15-inch model) power adapter I wonder why they have two separate adapters and couldn't make one for both. Seems to add a bit of fragmentation.

I do not know if the prices were different in the past, but 13" laptops previously used a 60W power adapter, while the 15" used an 80W

Interesting. I figured it was the same, like how the iPhone and iPhone Plus is the same...

They should make a magic power adaptor. Since using USB C. If plugged in start charging it at like 60W and then once the computer is booted up it could use the data part of USB C to tell the adaptor to change if possible. Then when the cable is unplugged from the laptop or adaptor then go back to 60W...

I also wonder if its any bad if people plugged their iPhone's into these power bricks too hmm.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm ever curious about this topic - what do you define as innovation?

Innovation means doing something new, doesn't it? The last Apple-ish innovation I saw out of Apple was that "magic" touch-pad that just feels like you're pressing it down, even though you are not. What they have done recently with the new Macbook Pro and iPhone 7 does not really qualify as "innovation" - they have reduced functionality (CPU power/battery and headphone jack, respectively) - and in turn made the goods…

Yvon Chouinard is the owner of the clothing company Patagonia and knows something about innovation. (He has revolutionized the outdoor industry many times over.)

His definition of "invention" is that it is the creation of something new.

His definition of "innovation" is that it is the application of invention to solve a problem. Patagonia did not invent wicking polyester fibers. But they used them to make the first wicking polyester long underwear, which radically changed how people thought about long underwear for outdoor sports.

This definition works great for Apple too. They don't invent much. But they innovate a lot. And yes the touch bar counts, even if you don't like it.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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> But I discovered that Apple did have one more hidden extra cost in store for 2016 MacBook Pro buyers This seems like an extremely misguided article. The overwhelming majority of users don't buy extra power adaptors. I'd wager that most power adaptors that are purchased are to replace the old power adaptor (because it was damaged or lost). So no, this is not a hidden cost in store for MBP buyers, this is a "hidden c…

I have at least 5. I may be hard-core, but I have one in my travel bag, one at the office, one in my home office, one in my living room, and one in my bedroom. Granted, some of these have Magsafe 1 to 2 adapters on them, but those little things are also expensive. At around $600 for the additional sets, plus probably another $300 for other dongles in quite a few locations, I think I will not be upgrading anytime soon…

There's got to be MagSafe to USB-C adapters on the way, right? It would be crazy if everyone had throw away perfectly functioning transformers, for lack of a cheap adapter. The market opportunity is obvious.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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> the $69 (13-inch model) or $79 (15-inch model) power adapter I wonder why they have two separate adapters and couldn't make one for both. Seems to add a bit of fragmentation.

Up to now, any Apple laptop could use any power adapter. I regularly plug my 2012 MacBook Air into the brick for my 2008 MacBook Pro. I will be VERY surprised if that is not the case anymore.

Probably the main reason to build different bricks is so that the smaller lighter laptop also has a smaller lighter brick.

Re: Apple selling a $79 MacBook Pro power adapter without a USB-C cable goes too far

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I'm ever curious about this topic - what do you define as innovation?

Innovation means doing something new, doesn't it? The last Apple-ish innovation I saw out of Apple was that "magic" touch-pad that just feels like you're pressing it down, even though you are not. What they have done recently with the new Macbook Pro and iPhone 7 does not really qualify as "innovation" - they have reduced functionality (CPU power/battery and headphone jack, respectively) - and in turn made the goods…

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