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Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by wruza »

int_19h wrote: post #135
andreiw wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got it. Thanks for coming out and stating that it is your cultural norm to look at Russia and Russians through the prism of your own enduring propaganda and intellectualized cliches.

I'm Russian. The only cliches that I have about Russia are those derived from my experience growing up and living in Russia for 25 years of my life, before finally deciding that it isn't going to get any better, and there's nothing I can do to fix it.

Are you able to fix much at where you are now? Is it going to get any better?

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by Dolores12 »

bzbarsky wrote: post #172
Dolores12 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how democracy works. Are you against democracy?

Yes. Any thinking person should be against democracy in the sense of "any time we can get one vote over 50% for something we should pass the something". This is why the US government was set up with various undemocratic features. This is why there are things like constitutions that require supermajorities to modify. Protecting minorities from the tyranny of the majority is one of the main purposes of good governmenan…

Yeah, thats why Trump won with minority of votes. Just as you like. And i like it too!

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

DrJokepu wrote: post #180
rangibaby wrote: post #161

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It's democracy (with a small d) when I agree with it, ochlocracy when I don't?

No, this is a rather cynical thing to say. In a free society, the rule of the people is only one of the pillars of freedom. Other pillars include the rule of law, certain inalienable rights, etc. Without these, the rule of the people descend into majoritianism or ochlocracy. The textbook example of ochlocracy is the French Revolution between the Insurrection of 10 August 1792 and the Thermidorian Reaction.

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Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by nothrabannosir »

ryanlol wrote: post #149
tobltobs wrote: post #104

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> Included in the builds. Russian citizens download and install specially crafted builds instead of the officials ones? Are they forced, or do they they trust those FSB builds more? > The traffic will stay inside of infrastructure controlled by the Russian government through its domestic ISPs, rather than exiting the country. I guess we are not talking about the same, because the the regulation doesn't dictate this.…

It would not be unreasonable to assume that the FSB (or perhaps rather the SVR?) has compromised a CA that's included in all the builds.

It would. That's what certificate pinning is for. If they did that and (ab)used it, they'd be found out in no time.

This whole conversation is just not going anywhere. The Russian government can't snoop your tls data if it leaves the country, end of story. That's the reason for this law and the article to begin with!

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by jerry40 »

SanFranManDan wrote: post #85
hal9000xp wrote: post #45

As a Russian citizen, I used LinkedIn heavily to find jobs in Europe (along with stackoverflow.com/jobs). I keep a lot of contacts there (e.g. former colleagues and European recruiters, some of them are very helpful). I found it's alarming that LinkedIn is blocked in Russia. Blocking LinkedIn significantly reduces chances to find a job in Europe. But I expected that since I watched closely on new laws restricting int…

> That's why I left Russia and I hope forever! > dirty rotten mouths of nasty Kremlin bastards > Heck, the majority of Russians doesn't even bother to learn elementary English! > Stupid people buy everything Kremlin tells them, including version about protecting Russian citizens from US NSA. > thanks to backward masses > P.S. I hope to get rid of toxic Russian citizenship in the future. I think the only thing toxic h…

This is exactly why here in Russia people generally do not like so called "liberals". Try to understand a person who feels himself as he's at the next evolution stage. There is no any chance that the majority votes for him or party he represents or supports. Unfortunately, such persons associate themself with democracy, what automatically discredits this word in our country.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by supergirl »

bayesian_horse wrote: post #168
supergirl wrote: post #148

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so you say if Europe does something, it's good. If Russia does the same thing, it's bad, because it's Russia. OK.

Putin likes to make it look that way, yes. And on the surface it does. Beneath the surface, there are lots of important differences. The EU doesn't block websites. It doesn't control the media. It ensures freedom of speech. It makes it possible even for US companies to do business in the EU, without the fear that their servers are seized whenever some corrupt regime decides to. The EU doesn't go after dissidents... a…

That's so naive, to think that any country isn't simply pursuing its own interests.

I'll argue some of your points for fun.

> The EU doesn't block websites

Really? What about all the torrent sites being blocked? Same as Russia, EU has their own agenda for blocking websites. It doesn't need to be for the same reasons or the same websites.

> It doesn't control the media.

Really? Pretty sure any newspaper/tv station has an affiliation/bias with one party/view or another. Also, same as Russia having state owned media, other countries in Europe have that too, for example the public national televisions and radios. Then there is the social media. Try posting something illegal on facebook and see if it is controlled or not. Try calling for a protest against something. You might get a visit from the police [1].

> It ensures freedom of speech

What exactly is freedom of speech? No country has 100% freedom of speech. How much does Russia have? How much do other countries have? How do you measure it? Let's say in Russia I can't insult Putin (although probably you can), in UK I can't insult the queen, in US I can't insult the FBI. Is there a difference? Insulting can mean different things in different countries.

> It makes it possible even for US companies to do business in the EU

Of course they do, EU is almost like another part of the US. In collaboration with the US they also use these tech companies to spy. But still, not all US business is welcomed. Some countries protect their own interests. That is why this EU-US free trade treaty is hard to get signed.

> without the fear that their servers are seized whenever some corrupt regime decides to

Yeah, US companies definitely do not fear their servers being seized because the US is doing all the seizing. In any case, this is a mutual benefit deal. But recently there is a shift against big US companies and their tax practices. So far, there was no seizing, but let's see what happens next.

> The EU doesn't go after dissidents

What about Snowden, what about Assange? Pretty sure Assange would go to Russia if he could. Of course, EU encourages and protects dissidents of countries such as China and Russia. In turn these countries do the same. But nobody is better.

[1] http://www.dw.com/en/online-anti-refugee-posts-lead-to-offli...

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

Dolores12 wrote: post #182
bzbarsky wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Any thinking person should be against democracy in the sense of "any time we can get one vote over 50% for something we should pass the something". This is why the US government was set up with various undemocratic features. This is why there are things like constitutions that require supermajorities to modify. Protecting minorities from the tyranny of the majority is one of the main purposes of good governmenan…

Yeah, thats why Trump won with minority of votes. Just as you like. And i like it too!

The US isn't even a democracy so it doesn't really apply, does it? He'd not have won in a democracy.

Democracy screws folks over very easily.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by meshr »

w8rbt wrote: post #53

It seems like a reasonable requirement. If you want to do business there, then setup a data center and store data there.

Internet ends when every country will start to force everyone else to do what they think is good. In digital world physical geo-location doesn’t matter unless you want to fool someone. You can store data in Russia but give access to it to CIA. You can store data in USA but make it impossible to access by CIA.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by meshr »

rdiddly wrote: post #154

LinkedIn didn't just "get blocked" out of the blue. They got blocked after many warnings and plenty of time during which they refused to take basic steps to comply with the laws of a sovereign nation. Just set up some servers in a Russian datacenter and be done with it! But instead they blew it off, or created the impression of blowing it off, by going running to the Russian bureaucrats on the last day -- as if the w…

LinkedIn denied to play by rules of idiots. Shame on Google etc who supports and promotes censorship by accepting the rules of censorship. Internet ends when every country will start to force everyone else to do what they think is good.
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