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Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:42 PM UTC

tobltobs wrote: post #4

I didn't know about this crazy new regulatory requirements until now. Quoting from an article [1] describing the new law: > “When collecting personal data, including through information and the internet telecommunications network, the operator is required to provide a record that the systematization, accumulation, storage, updating and retrieval of personal data of citizens of the Russian Federation, is held on datab…

> I could imagine that complying to this regulation wont be worthwhile for most companies.

In all likelihood, a crony-backed service handling this for foreign tech companies doing business in Russia will emerge.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by nazgul17 » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:44 PM UTC

prodmerc wrote: post #107

SanFranManDan wrote: post #85

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> That's why I left Russia and I hope forever! > dirty rotten mouths of nasty Kremlin bastards > Heck, the majority of Russians doesn't even bother to learn elementary English! > Stupid people buy everything Kremlin tells them, including version about protecting Russian citizens from US NSA. > thanks to backward masses > P.S. I hope to get rid of toxic Russian citizenship in the future. I think the only thing toxic h…

Nah, having lived in such a country (ex-USSR), I'm pretty confident to call most of who still lives there stupid as fuck in regards to the bigger picture . When you live with such people long enough but still can't understand what the flying fuck is everyone thinking, then it's either you're insane or them. Sometimes it turns out it's them. 50% of the world's population is literally dumber than the average.

*than the median

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by snark42 » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:44 PM UTC

Florin_Andrei wrote: post #42

pfarnsworth wrote: post #16

Honestly, if LinkedIn disappeared today worldwide, I wouldn't miss it one second. It's really more of a chore than anything else. When you're looking for a job, or looking to recruit, it's helpful, but they haven't made the case of general everyday use, and I doubt they ever will.

> but they haven't made the case of general everyday use, and I doubt they ever will But who thinks of LI as general purpose social media? I don't think anybody uses LI except in the strict context of finding new jobs, and making sure you can find new jobs in the future. I don't get the criticism. It's like blaming the screwdriver for not being able to hammer in a nail. It's a jobs site. And for that purpose it's pre…

> I don't think anybody uses LI except in the strict context of finding new jobs, and making sure you can find new jobs in the future.

I also use it as an up to date electronic rolodex of sorts. Is this person still working at Cisco? What's their current contact info? Let me LinkIn with you so I don't need to keep this business card, etc.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by camboyero1992 » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:45 PM UTC

Totalitarianism all over... 1984 monitoring voted in UK (right after Brexit), Trump win in the US, Putin and Erdogan on the east, China and its big walls imprisoning billions... I am honestly giving up hope on the human race.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by vittore » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:49 PM UTC

hal9000xp wrote: post #74

vladimir-y wrote: post #69

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You can easily get VPN and continue to use Linkedin if you need to. > Kremlin loves to spy on its own citizens. And they already did that for a long time. Most of the governments do love to spy on its own citizens, for obvious reasons.

> You can easily get VPN and continue to use Linkedin if you need to. VPN is only temporary cure. I think soon or later Kremlin will try to crack down use of VPN when it becomes popular. > Most of the governments do love to spy on its own citizens, for obvious reasons. And I'm not fond of most governments and even notion of big intrusive government.

Well, afaik VPN is so widely used in Russia and even bimbo girls know how to use it. When you are going to Turkey for vacation, VK.com ( Russian Facebook) is blocked there because of porno content and you have to use VPN. Then there are resources as bbc news and netflix that didnt allow to watch video from Russia due to copyright reasons, and that again always was worked around with VPN.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by tananaev » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:51 PM UTC

pfarnsworth wrote: post #16

Honestly, if LinkedIn disappeared today worldwide, I wouldn't miss it one second. It's really more of a chore than anything else. When you're looking for a job, or looking to recruit, it's helpful, but they haven't made the case of general everyday use, and I doubt they ever will.

The issue is not about LinkedIn. The problem is that there is silly law that requires all personal data of Russian citizens to be stored on the servers located in Russia. It means that Russian government can block access to pretty much any website on the internet that they don't like.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by bayesian_horse » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:54 PM UTC

Russia likes to copy EU strategies and uses them for other purposes. For example, the EU and its members really like to go after US companies for privacy protection. This is usually a good thing for the consumers, but can feel like a targeted attack to the US companies in question.

However, when the Russian Federation does - on the surface - almost the same thing, it suddenly has a very different impact...

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by bayesian_horse » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:56 PM UTC

hal9000xp wrote: post #110

kovrik wrote: post #96

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Update: no, he has just responded, says that LinkedIn still works fine, probably they are negotiating or something.

Some small russian ISP just do not synchronize their database of blacklisted sites with Roskomnadzor central database. Also, LinkedIn seems to have several IP addresses, some of them may not be blacklisted yet. The main problem is in tendency itself: the government writes crazy laws and trying to enforce these laws in real life. It's good that these laws still are not very effective (I mean it's still possible to byp…

This law isn't crazy. They are just not meant for the purpose the government tells everybody.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by mickronome » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:57 PM UTC

kovrik wrote: post #102

hal9000xp wrote: post #92

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This majority is totally fine to imprison unwanted minorities. This majority is totally fine to restrict my freedoms. This majority thinks they are right because they are majority . So in short, the majority asks me to sacrifice myself for their sake because I'm in minority and they are in majority. If so, f##k them! P.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged

I have left my parents and many friends and colleagues in Russia. They all are kind and smart and good people. They just can't leave the country as I did: they don't want to, they are bound to their family, they have business there, they don't work in IT, they don't know English etc. The fact that you've left Russia is not making you `special` or `elite`. There are bad and stupid people everywhere, as well as good an…

Being part of a minority is not the same as being 'elite' or 'special' in the sense you seem to imply, and I can't see that the author claims to be part of some kind of elite either? What are you trying to say ?

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by Vehren_ » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:59 PM UTC

raquo wrote: post #101

devoply wrote: post #38

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Same as National Security Letter. You give the government what it wants, or else. At the end of the day the difference is soft power vs. hard power. The thugs dressing in nice suits and having their agents mess your business up through audits or lawsuits, or thugs sending their secret police to mess you up. The end result is they get what they want no matter what.

Uh... You can't send a national security letter to a foreign company that has no presence in the US. Well, you can probably send it, but since the foreign company is not bound by US laws, they can ignore it and even publish it (this is my understanding, IANAL). The whole point of this Russian law is to remove this limitation.

I guess the question is what qualifies as presence in your view. LinkedIn has a presence in Russia due to it's Russian clientele, that's why Kremlin is going after them in the first place.

This is only party relevant, but in the past few years the US started going after people solely based on the fact that they have some money in a US bank (and no other ties, i.e. 'presence'). So now you have the US Federal court in Brooklyn prosecuting the FIFA corruption scandal.

The original point stands, I think. If a state actor has interest in your affairs, they will find legal ways to spy on you, or create new laws so they can. Honestly, the NSA scandal, and the gross violation of personal privacy in the US after 9/11 should have taught people that. And the US is the bastion of modern democracy (saying this w/o sarcasm) to boot.