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Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by raquo »

devoply wrote: post #38
nkrisc wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about the economy, it's about control. Give them control or get out. Eventually the only companies left are those that will acquiesce to Russian demands.

Same as National Security Letter. You give the government what it wants, or else. At the end of the day the difference is soft power vs. hard power. The thugs dressing in nice suits and having their agents mess your business up through audits or lawsuits, or thugs sending their secret police to mess you up. The end result is they get what they want no matter what.

Uh... You can't send a national security letter to a foreign company that has no presence in the US. Well, you can probably send it, but since the foreign company is not bound by US laws, they can ignore it and even publish it (this is my understanding, IANAL).

The whole point of this Russian law is to remove this limitation.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by kovrik »

hal9000xp wrote: post #92
SanFranManDan wrote: post #85

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> That's why I left Russia and I hope forever! > dirty rotten mouths of nasty Kremlin bastards > Heck, the majority of Russians doesn't even bother to learn elementary English! > Stupid people buy everything Kremlin tells them, including version about protecting Russian citizens from US NSA. > thanks to backward masses > P.S. I hope to get rid of toxic Russian citizenship in the future. I think the only thing toxic h…

This majority is totally fine to imprison unwanted minorities. This majority is totally fine to restrict my freedoms. This majority thinks they are right because they are majority . So in short, the majority asks me to sacrifice myself for their sake because I'm in minority and they are in majority. If so, f##k them! P.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged

I have left my parents and many friends and colleagues in Russia. They all are kind and smart and good people. They just can't leave the country as I did: they don't want to, they are bound to their family, they have business there, they don't work in IT, they don't know English etc.

The fact that you've left Russia is not making you `special` or `elite`. There are bad and stupid people everywhere, as well as good and smart and awesome people. World is not black and white.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by zzzcpan »

jwtadvice wrote: post #99
zzzcpan wrote: post #98

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Technically it has, but only for unencrypted communications and without cooperation from internet companies. Which they really want to change with all the new laws and everything.

So the assertion is that Russian intelligence services cannot thwart encryption, including the encryption that it standardized for civilian use? If this were true, I would feel very comfortable speaking about politics in Russia, as in the United States all consumer-grade encryption is being broken by our intelligence services.

There is no "encryption for civilian use", they did, however, standardize the encryption for government use.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

#104

Post by tobltobs »

jwtadvice wrote: post #94
tobltobs wrote: post #86

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I guess everbody wants to know now how those certificates are included in Russian citizens browsers. Care to enlighten us? And while you are at it you could also tell us how this regulation > make it more difficult for the US to spy on Russian citizens ???

Sure. > everbody wants to know now how those certificates are included in Russian citizens browsers. Included in the builds. > And while you are at it you could also tell us how this regulation make it more difficult for the US to spy on Russian citizens The traffic will stay inside of infrastructure controlled by the Russian government through its domestic ISPs, rather than exiting the country to ingestion nodes dis…

> Included in the builds.

Russian citizens download and install specially crafted builds instead of the officials ones? Are they forced, or do they they trust those FSB builds more?

> The traffic will stay inside of infrastructure controlled by the Russian government through its domestic ISPs, rather than exiting the country.

I guess we are not talking about the same, because the the regulation doesn't dictate this. It "just" says, that there has to be a copy of the data in Russia. The server can still be outside of Russia.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by prodmerc »

hal9000xp wrote: post #45

As a Russian citizen, I used LinkedIn heavily to find jobs in Europe (along with stackoverflow.com/jobs). I keep a lot of contacts there (e.g. former colleagues and European recruiters, some of them are very helpful). I found it's alarming that LinkedIn is blocked in Russia. Blocking LinkedIn significantly reduces chances to find a job in Europe. But I expected that since I watched closely on new laws restricting int…

> It means that in absolutely any country masses fully deserve their government.

Pretty much.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by raquo »

devoply wrote: post #37
frozenport wrote: post #8

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Because a large part of the Russian software market is overseas.and many developers work on contract. Further, this helps the Kremlin's agenda which has lead to economic stagnation, and the average gdp of Russians dropping below that of China.

Doesn't seem like it: https://www.google.ca/search?q=russia+gdp

Are you hoping people won't look past the misleading google chart that ends in 2013?

Russia's GDP has been reliably falling since then. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-per-capita-ppp

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by prodmerc »

SanFranManDan wrote: post #85
hal9000xp wrote: post #45

As a Russian citizen, I used LinkedIn heavily to find jobs in Europe (along with stackoverflow.com/jobs). I keep a lot of contacts there (e.g. former colleagues and European recruiters, some of them are very helpful). I found it's alarming that LinkedIn is blocked in Russia. Blocking LinkedIn significantly reduces chances to find a job in Europe. But I expected that since I watched closely on new laws restricting int…

> That's why I left Russia and I hope forever! > dirty rotten mouths of nasty Kremlin bastards > Heck, the majority of Russians doesn't even bother to learn elementary English! > Stupid people buy everything Kremlin tells them, including version about protecting Russian citizens from US NSA. > thanks to backward masses > P.S. I hope to get rid of toxic Russian citizenship in the future. I think the only thing toxic h…

Nah, having lived in such a country (ex-USSR), I'm pretty confident to call most of who still lives there stupid as fuck in regards to the bigger picture.

When you live with such people long enough but still can't understand what the flying fuck is everyone thinking, then it's either you're insane or them.

Sometimes it turns out it's them. 50% of the world's population is literally dumber than the average.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by prodmerc »

hal9000xp wrote: post #74
vladimir-y wrote: post #69

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You can easily get VPN and continue to use Linkedin if you need to. > Kremlin loves to spy on its own citizens. And they already did that for a long time. Most of the governments do love to spy on its own citizens, for obvious reasons.

> You can easily get VPN and continue to use Linkedin if you need to. VPN is only temporary cure. I think soon or later Kremlin will try to crack down use of VPN when it becomes popular. > Most of the governments do love to spy on its own citizens, for obvious reasons. And I'm not fond of most governments and even notion of big intrusive government.

(I don't know what kind of) news for you: US and UK are both such governments. With less action between the surveillance and the police I guess, for now.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by cynoclast »

>'It’s not clear why LinkedIn — which has out of its 467 million users, only 5 million registered in Russia — was targeted in this case. '

Probably because they keep getting fucking hacked: http://www.wired.co.uk/article/linkedin-data-breach-find-out...

And Russia is tired of Russians getting fucked by shitty American software engineers.

Re: LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia

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Post by hal9000xp »

kovrik wrote: post #96
kovrik wrote: post #79

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I am a Russian too, moved to New Zealand. I was talking to my colleague from Russia via Linkedin, he was asking me about moving to NZ, getting the visa and so on. But now he can't read my response... sigh

Update: no, he has just responded, says that LinkedIn still works fine, probably they are negotiating or something.

Some small russian ISP just do not synchronize their database of blacklisted sites with Roskomnadzor central database.

Also, LinkedIn seems to have several IP addresses, some of them may not be blacklisted yet.

The main problem is in tendency itself: the government writes crazy laws and trying to enforce these laws in real life.

It's good that these laws still are not very effective (I mean it's still possible to bypass them) but looking over last 4 years, I see how significantly internet freedom is deteriorated in Russia (i.e. before 2012, there was no such thing is Russian firewall which maintained at federal level by the government).

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