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Post by alistproducer2 »

jsmith0295 wrote: post #182
rm999 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Micro-aggression, safe spaces, trigger words I think you're missing some perspective on this; a small % of activists on the left (mostly on college campuses) do not represent the trends of liberals in the USA. I can't think of a mainstream Democrat who considers these serious causes (including liberal ones like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren). The reality is the left has been making huge inroads on social cause…

It's not just a small percentage of activists. I'm 21, and I live in Ohio, which Trump won by 9 points, and it seems like a huge portion of people about my age are proponents of these ideas, on or off of college campuses. People call things "white" as in insult, they constantly say things like "white people have no culture", and really do seem to believe that all evil in the world is the result of things white men do…

>People call things "white" as in insult, they constantly say things like "white people have no culture"

I'm black and I wish folks realized that stuff like that needs to kept behind closed doors. I'm not one of those black folks that tries to twist the definition of racism such that it can never be applied to us. It's ironic that lots of the same folks who talk about "micro-aggressions" are purveyors of them.

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Post by throwanem »

alistproducer2 wrote: post #215
throwanem wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gay people getting married deprives no one of anything. There's an opportunity cost. I expanded on that a few days ago, and rather than rehearse it again, I'll link the answer I gave to "What do anti-gay-marriage people gain?": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12933668

I read you comment. I get your point on why the state provides benefits for marriage. You're argument that civil unions should suffice misses the point and is ignorant of the facts. The fight for marriage equality is not because gay people are overly attached to the nomenclature, there's a real practical difference between unions and marriage[1]. Also you quoted me in your response, but your comments made no argument…

The comment I linked constitutes the counterargument you request, and also addresses the question of civil unions in detail. It is fairly substantial, which is why I linked it instead of repeating the same arguments in my direct reply to your comment.

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Post by tnone »

masondixon wrote: post #194
drawkbox wrote: post #31

Not a good idea at all, I am never for censorship and I think we are losing sight of why freedom of speech is important which is insane to me. It is good all these ideas are out there even if you don't agree with them. Shrouding them will only encourage it. Strict absolutist and authoritative law/parenting almost always leads to acting out, while passive law/parenting let's knowledge decide individual choice. Putting…

> we are losing sight of why freedom of speech is important which is insane to me. I'm with you. Its very difficult to find people like you who think practically and consider side-effects, etc. I'm curious as to whether this has changed over time. And how could the founding fathers have such foresight. Where have all the thinkers gone?

They learned to self censor, lest they be shouted down and branded for heresy by the left wing ideologues with an axe to grind.

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Post by throwanem »

7952 wrote: post #223
throwanem wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gay people getting married deprives no one of anything. There's an opportunity cost. I expanded on that a few days ago, and rather than rehearse it again, I'll link the answer I gave to "What do anti-gay-marriage people gain?": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12933668

Surely this entire argument is an artifact of the governments uneccessarry intervention in private and family life. If we remove the governments role in marriage completely then people can decide for themselves what role it should play. Small government is a sensible ethos but never seems to be applied to these conservative hot button issues.

Is it, though? The argument I advance against homosexual marriage proceeds from the legitimate interest of the state in supporting marriage and reproduction.

If it helps any, I hardly more often find myself in agreement with conservatives on most issues than with progressives...

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Post by quonn »

alistproducer2 wrote: post #222
quonn wrote: post #188

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> Abortion is another I see both sides on and believe compromise is the best way forward. How would such a compromise look like? > In some cases (like abortion) conservatives have their heart in the right places. Right, but this is already your personal judgement. For example I personally feel that the conservative stance on abortion is cruel and creates more suffering.

>How would such a compromise look like? Stop legal abortions at the age of viability as arrived at through scientific consensus. >I personally feel that the conservative stance on abortion is cruel... In some cases, it is. I'm not agreeing with all the anti-abortion arguments. I have also talked with "progressive" family members that have a cold/cruel absolutist view of it. In their mind, 8 months was fair game, beca…

> Stop legal abortions at the age of viability as arrived at through scientific consensus.

The age of viability could be arbitrarily early as technology progresses so I don't see how that is a good criterion.

Instead I would argue for several different criteria. One is consciousness. This probably only occurs half a year after the child is born. Another one would be the ability to feel pain.

Regardless of all other concerns, as a practical matter, I would argue that once a baby has some sort of independent existence from it's parents (once it came out as a matter of fact, no matter when) then it ought to be protected.

> In their mind, 8 months was fair game, because choice.

Is this really a practical problem? Abortions after 3 months (sometimes after 6 months) are somewhat controversial, but also very rare. For example, the numbers in Germany seem to be that 97% of abortions occur early.

The late abortions are almost always related to very serious disabilities and this is a completely different topic. For those rare cases I would again argue that sometimes good arguments can be made for the abortion. It is not a clear cut case.

Related: "I wager that the fetus experiences nothing in utero; that it feels the way we do when we are in a deep, dreamless sleep." https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-conscio...

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

leereeves wrote: post #125
commenting wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Black Lives Matter means Black Lives Matter as well . The All Lives Matter movement, as a reaction to BLM, is essentially saying that they don't, and that the racial struggles of American Blacks are irrelevant. That is the reason why All Lives Matter is considered abusive.

Before there was an All Lives Matter movement, there was one candidate who said: "Black lives matter. White lives matter. All lives matter." Whatever may have happened after, there was little justification to destroy that candidate for saying this.

Nobody liked Martin O'Malley even before he said that.

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Post by tyho »

commenting wrote: post #73
leereeves wrote: post #48

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I feel like the left seriously damaged their ability to fight racist ideas when they abandoned the idea of equality. Now, the left calls colorblindness and "all lives matter" racist. (Remember when Martin O'Malley was destroyed for saying that?) They create advantageous standards based on race, and even exclusive positions for non-white applicants. (For example, at the BBC.) And I too doubt they would object to "dedi…

Black Lives Matter means Black Lives Matter as well . The All Lives Matter movement, as a reaction to BLM, is essentially saying that they don't, and that the racial struggles of American Blacks are irrelevant. That is the reason why All Lives Matter is considered abusive.

All lives matter may be distasteful (I don't actually know anything about it and am not making a judgment one way or another) but calling it "abusive" is exactly the sort of over the top PC nonsense which fuels the alt-right.

EDIT: Perhaps I am wrong here, as I said, I know nothing about All Lives Matter, can you justify calling it an "abusive" movement?

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Post by sangnoir »

quonn wrote: post #188
alistproducer2 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I noticed that liberals had this similar authoritarianness IMO this is what distinguishes a traditional liberal from a a progressive. For me, a liberal is basically libertarian with a belief the state can be used to ensure the rights of citizens are administered evenly. IMO, if someone's actions aren't depriving another of life or liberty, the state doesn't have much standing in regulating that activity. Progressive…

> Abortion is another I see both sides on and believe compromise is the best way forward. How would such a compromise look like? > In some cases (like abortion) conservatives have their heart in the right places. Right, but this is already your personal judgement. For example I personally feel that the conservative stance on abortion is cruel and creates more suffering.

> How would such a compromise look like?

No-questions-asked contraception.

edit: A more radical idea would be to ban abortions but allow the parents to give up the baby at birth as a ward of the state. The expenses would be covered by a new tax.

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Post by [deleted] »

throwanem wrote: post #234
7952 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely this entire argument is an artifact of the governments uneccessarry intervention in private and family life. If we remove the governments role in marriage completely then people can decide for themselves what role it should play. Small government is a sensible ethos but never seems to be applied to these conservative hot button issues.

Is it, though? The argument I advance against homosexual marriage proceeds from the legitimate interest of the state in supporting marriage and reproduction. If it helps any, I hardly more often find myself in agreement with conservatives on most issues than with progressives...

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Re: Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts

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Post by 7952 »

throwanem wrote: post #234
7952 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely this entire argument is an artifact of the governments uneccessarry intervention in private and family life. If we remove the governments role in marriage completely then people can decide for themselves what role it should play. Small government is a sensible ethos but never seems to be applied to these conservative hot button issues.

Is it, though? The argument I advance against homosexual marriage proceeds from the legitimate interest of the state in supporting marriage and reproduction. If it helps any, I hardly more often find myself in agreement with conservatives on most issues than with progressives...

>> the legitimate interest of the state in supporting marriage and reproduction.

Why is that a legitimate interest of the state?

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