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Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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post #140

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So you're saying that half the country are racist rednecks (as Brokaw did). Got it. What you and Tom Brokaw are effectively saying is that one had to have been an idiot to either withhold a vote from or vote against Hillary, despite literally hundreds of perfectly valid reasons to do so.

I don't have a college degree, and I don't consider myself a racist redneck. I don't know where you're getting this from.

You replied to a comment about how Tom Brokaw literally said on national TV that Trump voters were uneducated racist rednecks that watch Duck Dynasty. In that reply, you defended his position. That's where I'm getting it from.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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post #67

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Makes sense. Now, how can Silver correct his methodology to capture the above in future elections, I wonder.

He should call it quits together with all other pollsters. All that predicting is at best a totally useless activity or even worse, it influences voter behavior. Bet on football games instead. At least that doesn't do damage to the country.

The main point of polls is to influence and give social proof to selected candidate.

Don't believe me? When you look how they are constructed it becomes clear. Too bad for Clinton campaign she was highly unlikable and even the most expensive campaign in history couldn't help her.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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post #67

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Makes sense. Now, how can Silver correct his methodology to capture the above in future elections, I wonder.

He should call it quits together with all other pollsters. All that predicting is at best a totally useless activity or even worse, it influences voter behavior. Bet on football games instead. At least that doesn't do damage to the country.

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Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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post #113

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It's definitely not just my world view. According to some studies, 62% of Americans are said to use FB as their primary news source ( https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/62-people-now-use-facebook-pr... ) So it's not unreasonable to say you're inside a really special bubble, if you've never heard anyone using Facebook as a news source.

As mention, but i am glad to do it again. I AM NOT AMERICAN Edit:// To further clearify: Nether are any of my facebook friends, nether have i ever been there or plan to. I have no relation with the U.S. i was just making the point that Facebook might simply is not the right place to find information.

I'm not American either. I'm French, living in the UK, and the figures are probably not very different here.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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post #128

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Please. Let's all admit SJW has a clear, negative connotation. I mean, geez, it has a Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views,[1] including feminism,[1][2] civil rights,[1] multiculturalism,[1] and identity politics. Are you really going to claim that you weren't aware of this when you threw that term out there?

>Let's all admit SJW has a clear, negative connotation. I mean, geez, it has a Wikipedia page: Many of them also own up to the term and use it to refer to themselves in a positive manner, even placing it in their Twitter bio's next to a link to their Patreon. Anyone who actually spends any amount of time in the political sphere where SJW run rampant is aware of this. Someone like myself uses it with the full negative…

> Anyone who actually spends any amount of time in the political sphere where SJW run rampant is aware of this.

I have been reading up on politics or engaged in political discussion online for maybe ~4 hours daily for the past two years. I have never seen "SJW" used non-pejoratively, and I've never seen anyone own the term and apply it to themselves. Not saying you're wrong, but it's not nearly as common as you're pretending.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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Not to mention realclearpolitics and projectthirtyfive all had poll after poll with all the number crunching data saying Clinton would win. In the end.. clinton: 59,938,290 votes trump: 59,704,886 votes 59million liked all new age sjw stuff 59million other people didn't

I find the electoral system in US to be funny. When 47.7% people voted for Hillary and 47.5 voted from Donald, yet Donald won. This is for the second time that Dems have lost this way, the last time was during Al Gore vs Bush

The country is mostly red. Even though Clinton got 200k more votes I'm sure you can see why the the electoral system is in place.

There is still 4 million votes that are being counted. Projection even from CNN is that Trump wins the popular vote.

[0] https://mishgea.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/geographic-lands.... [1] http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-10/trumps-geographic-l....

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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post #86

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I am sorry if this does not fit with your world view. In my environment facebook is some social media platform, with a few uplifting news but mostly irrelevant personal stuff. As anyone i am "friends" with way to many people without a specific genre, so i dont think my feed is special in that regard. There is barely political or relevant stuff on my feed, and as said i never heard anyone say "did you read _that_ on f…

When you see a political post do you tend to interact with it? Do you interact more with personal uplifting stories? Your feed tends to contain the sort of things you interact with to the exclusion of the sort of things you don't. You are probably in a Facebook bubble without even realising it...

No. I dont do anything on facebook at all, i just happen to scroll through my feed every other week when i just went online to contact one of the few people that i cant reach otherwise.

I really see where you are going, and i see that we all are in our personal Facebook bubble. But my point stands that Facebook simply does not have the same relevance at here that it seems to have in the U.S. People here read news, many even young, read actual newspapers. There is not so much place for facebook in a system that already works.

And before someone asks, yes our newspapers are heavily favoring too. But thats not the point.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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post #101

We're all definitely in an echo chamber. Hacker News is an echo chamber. So is Reddit, FB, Twitter, etc. This is what happens when, as an industry, we move towards "personalization". All of our "personalized" feeds allow businesses to increase their ad revenue, but it siphons us away from the rest of the world. 30 years ago, we were beholden to the large media outlets, which is also bad, but I believe we've overcorre…

HN is an echo chamber when it comes to tech choices, but it's absolutely not when it comes to politics. I've seen many pro-Trump supporters in the ranks here, which is very surprising given the demographic.

48% of the country voted for him, not a surprise to see his supporters represented in any group with 2 or more people.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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post #112

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Many people use it as a link-sharing medium like others use Twitter.

"we" do that too, just not for these kind of news. Everytime i see some of the hardliners posting something political it will be completely ignored, or at max liked by some other hardliners. If someone posts a article about vegan or animal rights or shit, thats the kind of stuff that goes viral in my circles.

> vegan or animal rights

I read that as vegan rights or animal rights...

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