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Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Post by flukus »

ant6n wrote: post #223
RandomOpinion wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop. The. Name. Calling. Stop it right now. Even if your demographic breakdown were correct[0], those are your fellow citizens your're referring to. That tone is why the left is in the state it is right now. Trump is, perhaps, not going to help "those people" but neither, in their minds, was Clinton. They are simply going with the "perhaps" rather than (again, in their mind) certain no. [0] For example, suburbanites…

Sorry, I don't get it. Which part is the name calling? I also am not sure what you mean by 'fellow citizens' or 'the left'. I'm not American. And Hillary Clinton is not a left candidate, she's centre-right.

The racist part was the name calling. The post overall sounded derisive.

The people your criticizing want job security, not lynchings.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Post by RandomOpinion »

ant6n wrote: post #223
RandomOpinion wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop. The. Name. Calling. Stop it right now. Even if your demographic breakdown were correct[0], those are your fellow citizens your're referring to. That tone is why the left is in the state it is right now. Trump is, perhaps, not going to help "those people" but neither, in their minds, was Clinton. They are simply going with the "perhaps" rather than (again, in their mind) certain no. [0] For example, suburbanites…

Sorry, I don't get it. Which part is the name calling? I also am not sure what you mean by 'fellow citizens' or 'the left'. I'm not American. And Hillary Clinton is not a left candidate, she's centre-right.

My apologies, I had assumed that you were American.

Since this is a thread on an American presidential election, on the American political spectrum, Mrs. Clinton would be considered to be on the left or center-left.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Post by ant6n »

threesixandnine wrote: post #203

At this time we still cannot be sure who will win but all this to me looks like a big fuck you. It looks like a middle finger and it shows how disconnected media moguls, establishment, bureaucracy and "righteous" leftists-democracts are with the people on the ground. It went so far that people who would vote for Trump lied in polls just so that they don't receive strange looks or something worse. That is the fear abo…

Bernie was leftist. Clinton, not so much.

It's strange, as an outside observe I see hate spewed against giant swaths of the population (the 'establishment', the 'leftists', the muslims, the hispanics, the blacks or whatever) from Trump supporters. But those same people keep complaining about the hate they perceive from the left or whatever.

It's bizarre. Are people supposed to embrace the racism, sexism and bigotry?

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Post by flukus »

ant6n wrote: post #229
matwood wrote: post #207

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For starters he didn't walk around calling them uneducated idiots like many on the left have and continue to do. Bernie and Trump are touching into the same underlying problem that a lot of people have been left behind. They have felt screwed by the system for awhile and this is what we get. Heck, Bernie supporters got screwed again during the primary. This is also only the start. Wait until we automate all fast food…

Clinton called somebody idiots? I thought she only called Trump an idiot. Which doesn't seem like an unfair assessment. I mean as far as name-calling goes, I got the impression Hillary is doing almost none of that; whereas Trump was vicious.

Remember when she called them a "bag of deplorables"? Not that trump was exactly statesman like, but I don't remember him insulting Clinton supporters, just Clinton herself.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Post by 75j »

the_duke wrote: post #153

If any mod is reading this, I think it may be smart to close this thread down, since it will spiral into political drama very soon. (I assume their will be a post discussing the result...)

This thread is very civil so far.

I complained recently that political discussions are too easily suppressed on HN, and dang's response was that they inevitably veer into flame wars, and that preemptively flagging political threads is necessary / ok. I hope this thread continues to disprove that, since HN is an important place for political discussion to be happening.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Post by andars »

Here is a survey of some extremely unlikely but entertaining outcomes.

1) Neither candidate gets 270, McMullin gets at least 1, either from Utah or a faithless elector. The "never trump" republicans in the House elect McMullin over Trump. End result: Evan McMullin as president

2) Same as 1), but with Gary Johnson

3) Majority in electoral vote, but some faithless electors withhold their vote. I'd actually very much like to see this happen, as it would be far more interesting to see the House have to decide on this.

4) Tie, deadlock in House and Senate. End result: Paul Ryan as president

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Post by M_Grey »

Inconel wrote: post #178
M_Grey wrote: post #143

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At this point I'd almost welcome a truly rigged system, or even a secret service member who doesn't mind a lifetime in prison. Eight years of W. Bush was bad, and frankly I doubt the economy could withstand whatever Trump has in "mind".

As someone who very much dislikes the prospect of a Trump presidency, and is in fact well to the left of the Democratic party and Hillary Clinton on most social and economic issues, I find this line of thinking quite troubling. Perhaps rather than hoping for assassinations or voter fraud, those of us who identify as "progressive" could instead channel that mental energy into finding ways to better appeal to large gro…

You know what? People as a group are just too stupid and easily manipulated to be helped, and given that Trump now gets to pick (probably) 3 SCOTUS seats? We're cooked.

Basically, for most of us here, the rest of our lives will have this election hanging over us, for the implications on the SCOTUS alone. As I said, people who can afford it are going to leave in droves.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Post by Mathnerd314 »

ant6n wrote: post #177
RandomOpinion wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not surprised; a day of reckoning was bound to come for the left. Consider that even if Trump had lost, his power base would still have existed afterward. Trump is not the problem, Trump is a symptom. The American left took its eyes off of what's important, namely the working class, and instead spent its time and political capital on frivolous[0] causes. This is a wake-up call to refocus. [0] Lots of things some migh…

Except ... how the fuck is Trump going to help those people. It's like those poor, white, rural (, racist) working class folks are eating their face to spite their face.

Trump has words ("the best words"). The words will inspire Congress to pass laws. The laws will (in theory) help the people. Trump will continue traveling around the country, and report back to Congress what is or is not working.

Beyond that it's difficult to say, Trump has promised little but hinted at a lot.

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