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Re: Review: The NES Classic Edition and all 30 games on it

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Post by cableshaft »

pryelluw wrote: post #177
cableshaft wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What gets interesting is what games do they put on the SNES? ...building a list of 30 such games would take hours to trim down. Took me ten minutes. Although if I knew it weren't super unlikely, I would sneak Uniracers and EVO: Search for Eden onto this list. Also, yes I know there are a ton more great games for SNES. It was an awesome system. But these seem like good candidates. * Chrono Trigger * Donkey Kong Coun…

I would replace super street 2 fighter turbo with street fighter turbo 2. Both excellent games but the non-super version had a bigger impact. Or the regular SF2: the world warrior would work. Though its a little bit slow to play without turbo speed.

I played a loooot more Turbo (It was one of the games I received with the system on my birthday), but figured the extra fighters made the Super the one Capcom would most likely add.

Re: Review: The NES Classic Edition and all 30 games on it

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Post by reportingsjr »

dogma1138 wrote: post #193
BoorishBears wrote: post #192

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Gamers' lack of understanding of the speed of data along a copper wire has made a lot of money for accessory manufacturers

Would you please calculate the drift velocity and the propagation velocity of the wave and the interrupt delay on the loop sense?

Before people waste time with these calculations can you explain how they relate to signals on a wire? You have mixed up some phenomena while reading up on electronics.

Re: Review: The NES Classic Edition and all 30 games on it

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Post by clw8 »

jerf wrote: post #157
briHass wrote: post #148

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I actually have just, over the past few months, been playing all the Final Fantasy/Square games that I never experienced. I played them in the following order: FF4 (USA FF2), FF6 (USA FF3), Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, FF5, and FF7. I just started FF9. I have to agree that FF7/FF9 was a huge adjustment from a graphics perspective. The 3D-ish characters are ugly and the camera angle/distance makes certain areas fee…

"The SNES era really stands out to me as the high-water mark for JRPGs" I'd have to put the high-water mark at the PS2. The PS1 era was confused, but they mostly figured things out again for the PS2. That said, the genre remains alive and well anyhow. Once everybody but Square accepted that you don't need to try to make every single one a graphical extravaganza, they picked back up again. (I don't know what I'd call…

I really wish jRPG developers would just give up on expensive 3D graphics and go the way of Ni no Kuni and Saga Frontier 2. Suits the genre perfectly.

Re: Review: The NES Classic Edition and all 30 games on it

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Post by userbinator »

devindotcom wrote: post #178
Orangeair wrote: post #168

> The controller ports aren’t as satisfyingly analog-feeling as the old ones, but that’s really not a big deal. It's slightly ironic that the author says this, since there is absolutely nothing analog about NES controllers -- they're nothing more than a shift register internally. By contrast, modern controllers do in fact have analog input mechanisms (although they are of course communicated with digitally). It seems…

I knew when I wrote it that someone would point this out — the feeling in the old connectors was like plugging in, for example, a multi-head RCA connector or something. It felt like putting a plug in a socket, connecting two analog devices like a speaker and amp - and unlike putting in a USB micro connector or DVI cable. But your point stands :)

I know that feeling, I would describe it as "robust". A chunky, solid feeling. But I would classify DVI and VGA the same, along with parallel ports, DIN (but not mini-DIN), and basically all mains power connectors.

At the opposite end are USB (especially micro), HDMI, 1394 and other dainty connectors that feel like they would break (and they do) if you don't take utmost care in mating them.

That being said, I don't think it's a feeling unique to "old" connectors; besides the mains plugs mentioned above, modern industrial, military, and avionics equipment connectors remain equally satisfying to mate. It's just that most consumer equipment has sacrificed robustness for compactness and cost.

Re: Review: The NES Classic Edition and all 30 games on it

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Post by saulrh »

dogma1138 wrote: post #191
jleahy wrote: post #185

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What nonsense, an extra 9ft of cable is ~14ns (given it's completely passive). A human would struggle to detect 14ms (6 orders of magnitude difference) and it'll be completely swamped by polling latency.

1A current in a standard 10 gauge wire has a drift velocity of 23m/s, the wave propagation is dependant on quite a few other factors. The SNES controller is on a 20mA loop, with short to ground IIRC and the wire is likely to be 18 or 20 gauge, the velocity is still not nearly as high as you think, since the loop is interrupted you also have a delay on the sense line. Overall a 30ft cable adds about 2-3ms of latency t…

Drift velocity is unrelated to signal propagation. Otherwise it'd take entire days for packets to cross the country to get to you, which is clearly not the case. If we want to take an analogy, signal propagation is like a sound wave in the electromagnetic field inside the conductor; in real air, the speed of sound is clearly faster than the wind.

Re: Review: The NES Classic Edition and all 30 games on it

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Post by zerocrates »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #43
clw8 wrote: post #17

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Cool that your daughter is willing to play retro games (I assume), I tried to get my teenage nephews to play FF7 and as soon as they saw the blocky graphics they noped the f out. Sigh.

The funny thing is, FF7 (and other early 3d games) aged far worse than early 2d games. There's a resurgence in indie platformers in the style of 2d games, while most of the 3d games from the N64/Playstation era just look outdated.

The NES and SNES eras have a pretty significant enduring appeal and are in the middle of a pretty lengthy resurgence, but you don't see nearly as much mainstream nostalgia for the previous 2D generation, like the Atari 2600. The graphics are just a little too primitive for most people, I think.

A lot of the earliest 3D games feel like they're closer to the "2600" end of the spectrum for their generation. Of course there are outliers like Mario 64 that have aged much better. Mario in particular doesn't get totally let down by controls the way a lot of other early full-3d-world games do.

Developers got a hang of things pretty quickly, though. The jump in quality from the stack-of-cubes characters in FF7 to something approaching recognizable humans in FF8 is pretty stark, and they improved further from there for 9.

Re: Review: The NES Classic Edition and all 30 games on it

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Post by userbinator »

dogma1138 wrote: post #191
jleahy wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What nonsense, an extra 9ft of cable is ~14ns (given it's completely passive). A human would struggle to detect 14ms (6 orders of magnitude difference) and it'll be completely swamped by polling latency.

1A current in a standard 10 gauge wire has a drift velocity of 23m/s, the wave propagation is dependant on quite a few other factors. The SNES controller is on a 20mA loop, with short to ground IIRC and the wire is likely to be 18 or 20 gauge, the velocity is still not nearly as high as you think, since the loop is interrupted you also have a delay on the sense line. Overall a 30ft cable adds about 2-3ms of latency t…

You are off by several orders of magnitude.

There's a very handy calculator here http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/miccur.h...

If you put in the diameter of a 10AWG wire (2.588mm), and a current of 1A, it gives a drift velocity of 5.026cm/h.

For 20mA in a 20AWG wire (0.812mm), that reduces to 1.02cm/h.

Drift velocity is absolutely irrelevant to the propagation delay, which is on the order of magnitude of the speed of light.

Re: Review: The NES Classic Edition and all 30 games on it

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Post by gohrt »

douche wrote: post #131
jason_slack wrote: post #110

What I find odd is that no retailer seems to have pre-orders. Game Stop says "Unavailable" and the same on Amazon. Nintendo doesn't have it listed to pre-order on its site either. I wonder who will carry these? I live in a small town that ironically has 2 Game Stops so I should be able to snag on on 11/11 if they are carrying it.

Isn't restricting supply standard operating procedure for Nintendo? I want to think that I read about that with the original NES and SNES in Console Wars , but I could be mistaken.

And bizarrely, they don't charge a premium at launch.

Re: Review: The NES Classic Edition and all 30 games on it

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Post by ericd »

dlevine wrote: post #136
huangc10 wrote: post #61

As much as I want to support Nintendo, I have to admit I've been playing NES and SNES with roms on the computer since early 2000s. My parents wouldn't buy me any game consoles or handheld devices so the computer was the only way to go. RetroPie and other hw apps would be fun to set up, but it's just so easy with emulator and roms that anyone can do it within a few mins. If you want the nostalgia, just download the em…

I've played them all with emulators (and on my original NES when I was a kid), but I'm still irrationally excited about this.

Same here. It's very, very hard to find controllers that feel right. I've been trying with SNES controllers for years, the knockoffs have terrible button feel. I'd pay much more than $60 for a 100% solid SNES version of this.

Re: Review: The NES Classic Edition and all 30 games on it

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Post by pryelluw »

cableshaft wrote: post #201
pryelluw wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would replace super street 2 fighter turbo with street fighter turbo 2. Both excellent games but the non-super version had a bigger impact. Or the regular SF2: the world warrior would work. Though its a little bit slow to play without turbo speed.

I played a loooot more Turbo (It was one of the games I received with the system on my birthday), but figured the extra fighters made the Super the one Capcom would most likely add.

If they go with most impact then turbo would be it. If my player count then super.

Unrelated: a cinema nearby has a Japanese turbo cabinet that im dying to purchase. :)

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