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Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

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Post by jospoortvliet »

dogma1138 wrote: post #9
preexo wrote: post #6

Good that people are working on those kind of projects like https://freedomboxfoundation.org/doc/flyer.pdf

You still need internet for this to work ;) these boxes only work in places where the internet isn't going to be shut down on a whim. Countries that are willing to blanket the internet and do mass arrests aren't exactly the place where you want to be caught with those things. This is the problem with all the so called "freedom" tools (tails, tor, various vpns etc.) and it is that they essentially only provide safe "f…

well you can run something like the nextcloud box on a local network, no problem, and it's super cheap, too. If government blocks the pipes to services like Twitter etc, that sucks but doesn't block local, self-hosted services. They are hard to block unless you take down the entire internet - and THAT is an economic issue.

LMGTFY - https://nextcloud.com/box

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

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Post by dogma1138 »

jospoortvliet wrote: post #71
dogma1138 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You still need internet for this to work ;) these boxes only work in places where the internet isn't going to be shut down on a whim. Countries that are willing to blanket the internet and do mass arrests aren't exactly the place where you want to be caught with those things. This is the problem with all the so called "freedom" tools (tails, tor, various vpns etc.) and it is that they essentially only provide safe "f…

well you can run something like the nextcloud box on a local network, no problem, and it's super cheap, too. If government blocks the pipes to services like Twitter etc, that sucks but doesn't block local, self-hosted services. They are hard to block unless you take down the entire internet - and THAT is an economic issue. LMGTFY - https://nextcloud.com/box

Again this is utterly pointless in any case where you live in a country that has no issues with blocking internet access.

You somehow think that a government that blocks the internet on a regular basis would have a problem blocking a distributed P2P network if it posed a threat?

All ISP's do DPI these days, many ISP's don't allow users to host services in the first place.

No to mention that the existence of the Box alone can put you at risk of harassment if not imprisonment.

Freedom tools are great if you live in a country that won't send you to prison for using a VPN, people seem to do not understand how oppressive regimes work.

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

#73

Post by toyg »

Iv wrote: post #57
myf01d wrote: post #14

Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia -> Friends Syria, Iran and Russia -> Enemies That's how pay for play works, everybody. If you don't pay, your government is labeled as a dictatorship. Simply fallen from the US grace. The UN is just a diplomatic tool to discredit you and NATO is another tool to kill you.

The changes in Turkey have happened pretty recently and as Turkey is a NATO member (where some nukes are located) and is a crucial player in Syria, most other NATO members look away when this kind of things happen. I expect huge diplomatic backlashes when the situation in Syria stabilizes. But I'm a bit of a dreamer.

Indeed you are. Syria will not "stabilize" for a long time, for the simple fact that Turkey went for a land grab (motivated mostly by anti-Kurdish strategies, but hey, a land grab is always a good thing in itself, right?) that will remain an issue of contention for decades, regardless of how the civil war is settled. Turkey needs a weak Syria, and everybody (US, Russia) needs Turkey. We have just created yet another Kashmir.

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

#74

Post by toyg »

revelation wrote: post #36
enraged_camel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never called him a terrorist. Please read more carefully. Also, since you obviously haven't read the link I provided, here's an excerpt from a speech he gave in 1999 in which he talks about... well, I'll let you be the judge: "You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers. . . . Until the conditions are ripe, they [the followers] must contin…

That sounds like the Zionist Diaries. Or maybe it's that long missing one from Hitler himself?

Tbh it could come from any "revolutionary" pablum, simply because that's how you do it: put your avanguardist elements in place until conditions are right for the "big switch". Even legitimate parties in legitimate democracies follow this rulebook to reach and maintain power.

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

#75

Post by akatechis »

matt4077 wrote: post #58
myf01d wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. These governments are for example "donating" hundreds of millions every year to many politicians in the US. One of them is may be going to be the next president. 2. Look at the ads and sponsors in the big news channels like CNN, mostly institutions and companies owned by these countries (Qatar airways, Turkish airlines, Dubai, Abu Dhabi...), no wonder on the day of the "coup" against Erdogan, These media outlets l…

- Mubarak was a much stronger ally to the US than Erdogan ever was. So by your logic they would've had to support him even more. - Erdogan – terrible as he may be – was until recently legitimately elected. I say until recently because (even some time before the coup) he started undermining democratic institutions, mostly the press. Mubarak was never elected in anything but a sham election. These governments are not d…

If you think Saudi Arabia, the country that executes gay people, is contributing to the Clinton foundation to promote charity, you are beyond reasoning with.

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

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Post by akatechis »

matt4077 wrote: post #58
myf01d wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. These governments are for example "donating" hundreds of millions every year to many politicians in the US. One of them is may be going to be the next president. 2. Look at the ads and sponsors in the big news channels like CNN, mostly institutions and companies owned by these countries (Qatar airways, Turkish airlines, Dubai, Abu Dhabi...), no wonder on the day of the "coup" against Erdogan, These media outlets l…

- Mubarak was a much stronger ally to the US than Erdogan ever was. So by your logic they would've had to support him even more. - Erdogan – terrible as he may be – was until recently legitimately elected. I say until recently because (even some time before the coup) he started undermining democratic institutions, mostly the press. Mubarak was never elected in anything but a sham election. These governments are not d…

If you think Saudi Arabia, the country that executes gay people, is contributing to the Clinton foundation to promote charity, you are beyond reasoning with.

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

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Post by catalinbraescu »

myf01d wrote: post #27
denfromufa wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this have to do with actual censorship, shutting down media, and jailing of journalists critical to Erdogan?

I am from Egypt, I remember very well, when the revolution of June 2013 broke out against the muslim brotherhood, the US said it stands with the "legitimate" regime (back then morsi), when they were toppled, the US said it was coup (funny they said it was a revolution when it was against Mubarak). And everyone here is suffering from an unofficial economic embargo enforced by the US on us ever since. It is simply a co…

" And everyone here is suffering from an unofficial economic embargo enforced by the US on us ever since."

Lol. USA is pumping up every year more than 1 billion USD into Egypt.

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

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Post by gesman »

kovrik wrote: post #41
viraptor wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case the government wants to shut down communication that's a very bad idea. In a global network, it's relatively easy to hide traffic in other traffic. Encapsulation and encryption work just fine. In a physical world, if you want a mesh (RF I'm guessing) network, it's trivial to figure out who's forwarding. You can do that with a cheap scanner and go straight to the doors of people running nodes. If you're trying…

Is there a secure solution for that problem in a physical world then?

If everyone is transmitting, including their fridge, coffee machine and alarm clock - that would change the game.
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