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Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

#21
post #14

Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia -> Friends Syria, Iran and Russia -> Enemies That's how pay for play works, everybody. If you don't pay, your government is labeled as a dictatorship. Simply fallen from the US grace. The UN is just a diplomatic tool to discredit you and NATO is another tool to kill you.

Well, you seem to be making a plethora of paranoid generalizations, care to back up any of that with evidence?

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

#22
post #5

It's breaking my heart watching a democracy slowly being suppressed and manipulated into a dictatorship. I wish the people will find ways to stand up for their rights and initiate a peaceful revolution.

It's hard to have a peaceful revolution when the people are mostly in favor of him.

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

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post #18
post #14

Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia -> Friends Syria, Iran and Russia -> Enemies That's how pay for play works, everybody. If you don't pay, your government is labeled as a dictatorship. Simply fallen from the US grace. The UN is just a diplomatic tool to discredit you and NATO is another tool to kill you.

What do you mean pay for play, here? Please tell me how Turkey, Quatar and Saudi Arabia are "paying" for anything in terms of meaningful value for the US. This is simple geopolitics, not some corruption scandal.

1. These governments are for example "donating" hundreds of millions every year to many politicians in the US. One of them is may be going to be the next president.

2. Look at the ads and sponsors in the big news channels like CNN, mostly institutions and companies owned by these countries (Qatar airways, Turkish airlines, Dubai, Abu Dhabi...), no wonder on the day of the "coup" against Erdogan, These media outlets labeled his "supporters" as pro-democracy. That never happened for Hosni Mubarak who was labeled as an evil dictator for example, he just didn't pay simply.

3. The west is trying to push the story that the conflict in Syria is just between white "the rebels" (FYI they are actually Sunni islamists) vs black "Assad" (he is a dictator yeah, but not worse then Erdogan), it is the same opninion of these governments.

4. No one is condemning or even talking about the horrific crimes like Turkey against the kurds, Saudi Arabia killing thousands of Shia in Yemen, Qatar funding militant islamists all over the world.

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

#24
post #14

Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia -> Friends Syria, Iran and Russia -> Enemies That's how pay for play works, everybody. If you don't pay, your government is labeled as a dictatorship. Simply fallen from the US grace. The UN is just a diplomatic tool to discredit you and NATO is another tool to kill you.

What does this have to do with actual censorship, shutting down media, and jailing of journalists critical to Erdogan?

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange that Gulen is considered a radical islamist by some and a super pacifists, modern muslim by others. How is this possible? For some background, he's well supported in international muslims with seemingly more forward-thinking views. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement

I personally would not trust anything I read about him on Wikipedia, since it can be edited by just about anyone, and he is estimated to have about 5 million followers. Read the link I provided - it's a lot more objective and provides a lot of historical perspective as well.

Do you trust Erdogan media more than wikipedia?

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

#26
post #5

It's breaking my heart watching a democracy slowly being suppressed and manipulated into a dictatorship. I wish the people will find ways to stand up for their rights and initiate a peaceful revolution.

Are we talking about Turkey or the US?

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

#27
post #14

Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia -> Friends Syria, Iran and Russia -> Enemies That's how pay for play works, everybody. If you don't pay, your government is labeled as a dictatorship. Simply fallen from the US grace. The UN is just a diplomatic tool to discredit you and NATO is another tool to kill you.

What does this have to do with actual censorship, shutting down media, and jailing of journalists critical to Erdogan?

I am from Egypt, I remember very well, when the revolution of June 2013 broke out against the muslim brotherhood, the US said it stands with the "legitimate" regime (back then morsi), when they were toppled, the US said it was coup (funny they said it was a revolution when it was against Mubarak). And everyone here is suffering from an unofficial economic embargo enforced by the US on us ever since.

It is simply a coup or a revolution, a democracy or a dictatorship, depending on the "relations" between the US politicians and these governments.

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally would not trust anything I read about him on Wikipedia, since it can be edited by just about anyone, and he is estimated to have about 5 million followers. Read the link I provided - it's a lot more objective and provides a lot of historical perspective as well.

Do you trust Erdogan media more than wikipedia?

His source has nothing to do with Erdogan. It's a conservative American think tank.

The parent is saying something controversial but he's being articulate about it. Look at his writings with more charity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Journal_(New_York_City)

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

#29
post #5

It's breaking my heart watching a democracy slowly being suppressed and manipulated into a dictatorship. I wish the people will find ways to stand up for their rights and initiate a peaceful revolution.

It's hard to have a peaceful revolution when the people are mostly in favor of him.

So democracy is working as intended, the people decided. Just because you don't agree with the results of democracy doesn't invalidate it.

Re: Social media shutdown in Turkey

#30
post #3

Need peer-to-peer IoT mesh networks with spillover across the borders.

In case the government wants to shut down communication that's a very bad idea. In a global network, it's relatively easy to hide traffic in other traffic. Encapsulation and encryption work just fine.

In a physical world, if you want a mesh (RF I'm guessing) network, it's trivial to figure out who's forwarding. You can do that with a cheap scanner and go straight to the doors of people running nodes. If you're trying to stay stealthy and secure from gov/mil, radio mesh is a terrible idea.

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