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Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is one simple item: "When you take someone's money, their priorities are now your priorities" If you can bootstrap your business with 30k and make a 20k profit every month, then why do you need 1 million dollars from investors? When you take the money, it's just a golden handcuff and ties you to that person for the future. If your business lasts longer than 20 years, that may as well be an additional marria…

Because your competitor can raise those million dollars, and eventually your 20k profit per month becomes 20k loss per month. You can build all your imaginary arguments about magical businesses that make 20k profit per month while being self-sustained with holocracy, cruelty free, authentic, organic etc. etc. But the reality is that doing big things at bigger scale requires huge capital. If you are willing to pass up…

I run a bootstrapped SAAS business and I make far more than $20K a month profit and have done so for years. The key is choose a niche that is large enough to make the level of profit you want, but too small to attract VC funded competitors. The sort of market size you want is in the range of $5 to $20 million per year. Big enough to be worth the hassle, but too small to attract the big guys.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#102
post #9

I know this is premature, but I can't help but wonder what the effect of Twitter going under would have on the Bay Area tech scene.

I don't think it would have a profound impact. The current incarnation of Twitter is only lackluster by Decacorn VC standards. The worst case scenario is the limp along like Yahoo has for the last decade. But during said limping a lot of employees made a decent living.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#103

I've always sort of had this question that continues to feel naive - but I'm not sure I know the answer: why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually? Why can't Twitter just be happy being Twitter, knowing its limits and making a stable profit? Instead it's more users, more VC money, more staff... constantly burning as quickly as possible. There's a ceiling on every business; it's all bound to com…

The simple answer is if you IPO at a certain price and declare you don't plan on growing at all, then nobody will participate in your offering or buy your shares in the open market. It's just a fact of life that as a public company you need to prove to your shareholders that next year your shares will be worth more than right now. Otherwise outside investors have no reason to invest in your company rather than keepin…

Even worse, once you've convinced investors that you're an essential component of the internet and you get a monster valuation, the only solutions worth looking at are ones that will fulfill a destiny that recedes with every passing day. Who is going to be the CEO who says "fuggeddaboudit, we ain't never gonna be Facebook. Learn to live with Twitter as the unfiltered (and therefore troll-infested) breaking news utility and whatever valuation that brings us."

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even to grow, does twitter really need 3,800 employees? The site hasn't exactly seen much change in the past few years.

Jonathan Blow gave a talk to Berekley college students a few months ago, complaining about the poor quality in modern software. He picks on Twitter in one part, showing the graph of the number of employees by year, challenges their claims to the complexity of implementing Twitter, and mocks a UI problem he just had. Twitter starts at 7 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56wra39lwA

http://i.imgur.com/U4mHId3.png

Thanks. Good video.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#105

I've always sort of had this question that continues to feel naive - but I'm not sure I know the answer: why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually? Why can't Twitter just be happy being Twitter, knowing its limits and making a stable profit? Instead it's more users, more VC money, more staff... constantly burning as quickly as possible. There's a ceiling on every business; it's all bound to com…

It's not just VCs, it's the current owners. When you market value is much higher than sales and earnings, owners expect growth. This is the natural consequence of getting outside equity. Please note that the owners (equity holders) demanding this growth include the employees and managers.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#106
post #32
post #9

I know this is premature, but I can't help but wonder what the effect of Twitter going under would have on the Bay Area tech scene.

If Twitter went under, modern TV journalism would have a seizure as their source of lazy reaction quotes disappears.

just farm more reddit posts.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#107

I've always sort of had this question that continues to feel naive - but I'm not sure I know the answer: why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually? Why can't Twitter just be happy being Twitter, knowing its limits and making a stable profit? Instead it's more users, more VC money, more staff... constantly burning as quickly as possible. There's a ceiling on every business; it's all bound to com…

People have answered this before, and what it boils down to is: because they took VC money, and then went public. If you bootstrap a business from nothing and grow it on its own, then sustainable growth and stable profit is fine. But Twitter got VC and IPO money with a promise that it would have Facebook-like growth in return. I think the analogy I saw used was that they promised investors a Porsche and instead deliv…

It's bigger than that though. The real issue is that they don't have a choice because as long as they aren't profitable they need to find a way to fund the operation.

In many ways VC funding is the worst and shouldn't be applied to most companies.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#108

I've always sort of had this question that continues to feel naive - but I'm not sure I know the answer: why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually? Why can't Twitter just be happy being Twitter, knowing its limits and making a stable profit? Instead it's more users, more VC money, more staff... constantly burning as quickly as possible. There's a ceiling on every business; it's all bound to com…

A stock price takes into account future growth. When growth begins to stagnate, then the ticker will fall. People lose money.

In most cases it probably isn't a huge deal, but the fact that Twitter isn't profitable is likely a (large) factor. Without a given amount of users, it won't be profitable and decreased growth obviously means that profitability is further out. Hence them cutting costs.

There's obviously nothing wrong with a bootstrapped / lifestyle business. The people at Basecamp are big proponents of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBfVxBj61z0 Here's one interview out of plenty where they talk about this kind of thing.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#109
post #10

You'd think they would have figured out targeted ads by now. If I follow people who post about RF/Microwave, antennas, SDR, and ham radio, one would think I'd see ads from Keysight and Tektronix, but no, it's garbage like football and pop music. FAIL! I also don't like that I don't see all the tweets from a person. They are pruning the timeline. Good riddance to twitter.

> If I follow people who post about RF/Microwave, antennas, SDR, and ham radio [...]

I'm interested in those too, any recommendation on who to follow?

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#110

I've always sort of had this question that continues to feel naive - but I'm not sure I know the answer: why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually? Why can't Twitter just be happy being Twitter, knowing its limits and making a stable profit? Instead it's more users, more VC money, more staff... constantly burning as quickly as possible. There's a ceiling on every business; it's all bound to com…

> Why can't Twitter just be happy being Twitter, knowing its limits and making a stable profit Your assumption, that Twitter is profitable, is unfortunately wrong.

It is not, but it could if twitter would stop spending huge piles of money that makes them go nowhere.
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