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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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I'd like to see a self-driving car navigate London's narrow streets with cars both sides and the negotiation that goes on between drivers about who goes first. I'm impressed with this self-driving on California's spacious streets in perfect weather. I'll be really impressed when I see a self-driving car go down a London street in pouring rain, realize it needs to allow someone to come from the other direction and rev…

I agree, it would be interesting to see. I'd also like to see it handle driving in both a heavy snow winter, like Calgary, and also a muddy brown snow winter, like in Ottawa. I feel like for a long time self driving cars won't be able to handle unplowed streets and will have to get the human to do anything truly difficult.

One issue with self driving cars in snow climates, at least in the area I live in, is that in addition to the issues that come with snow covered roads in the winter, the painted lines are often mostly or completely faded come spring and are not fully repainted until months after the snow has melted.

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I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. As much as I anticipate more cool stuff from Tesla, one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time. I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Headline of this submission "Tesla…

I found this to be impressive because it seems to be working without LIDAR and performing very well. I may be wrong but most other contemporary cars that drive this well use expensive laser sensors

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This is an area where it's easy to be too credulous. If you want "iPhone 1 of self-driving cars", Google has been tooling around in them for a while now. They do a great job under ideal conditions, on a sunny day. The future already happened! It simply isn't enough to post a video of a car driving in light traffic on a beautiful, California afternoon. That isn't what makes the problem hard. Mess up with your video-ba…

This isn't web development. You don't risk lives with your beta release First: Why do you always need to assume web dev is stupid. Or less impactful. Imagine a bank website showing 10,000 less in your account. I myself paid several customers a penalty/reimbursement, when because of our website, they suffered. And I am sure there are websites/apps which are more critical. Second: You are assuming, they have done a hal…

AI/ML algos cannot magically guarantee safety, for example, deep nets are known to be very un-robust: https://arxiv.org/abs/1312.6199. We are not yet at the point where AI/ML based algos can be guaranteed to be safe.

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> very large roads I've seen quite a few Google self driving cars on Castro in Mountain View. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4939372588_47979bceec_z.... That picture doesn't do it justice during the most busy hours of the evening, where there's tons of people crossing and bicycles flying about in every direction. Given that, I've never seen a crowded street in Napoli or a crossroad in Ho-Chi Minh, but I can imag…

> Given that, I've never seen a crowded street in Napoli My three tests for self-driving cars would be: 1. Drive through Milan on a Saturday afternoon, from the outside of the city, and park on the opposite side of the centre of the city. 2. Drive through London during a weekday, similar thing... cross the centre and find a parking space and park. 3. Drive through Paris during a weekend, same deal. Those three cities…

I've experienced London and Paris but I would still swap one of them with a city in a less developed country for variety.

Say Dakar for example (2.5M people): no road signs, pedestrians on the highway, constant honking from every directions, more varied "vehicles" like horse carriage and "car rapides" (small buses).

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train networks and subways are significantly more expensive to build, operate and maintain, even electrified ones. Roads + autonomous electric cars are hard to beat in terms of efficiency, utility and ease of operation.

Efficiency of what though? Space? Roads take up way more space than tracks. Efficiency of cost? Roads are very expensive. Often more expensive per passenger mile than railroads. Efficiency of energy use? Moving a 2000kg electric car around for 1 person is never going to be efficient. Efficiency of through-put? Roads even with autonomous cars will never have the throughput of a train-line. Also I think you significant…

> Efficiency of energy use? Moving a 2000kg electric car around for 1 person is never going to be efficient.

That depends on how you are defining efficiency (doesn't it always), an electric motor with a good battery backed by a good powergrid (nuclear/renewables) is about the most efficient solution to "one person going from Point A to Point B" in many ways, I'm in favor of public transport but even in a European country it can let you down.

Also in the future with electric self-driving cars I'd happily not own a car (I don't now) and just rent one as and when it's needed from a pool of cars, that would take cars off the road compared to now.

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In the US you stay in lane. Many other countries ban undertaking, but not the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtaking#Legal_status_by_cou...

Having done both, the US system makes so much more sense. Less maneuvering means fewer potential accidents. Even if undertaking is banned, you still need to check when switching lanes since people will undertake you no matter what. So there is no clear benefit.

Why you shouldn’t drive slowly in the left lane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oqfodY2Lz0

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Not having to own a car, maintain it, repair it, etc is a feature, not a bug. I'd far rather have a pay-for-use car (ie. a driverless taxi).

I don't like the idea of "sharing" upholstered seats with other people. I'm very neat and tidy, and other people aren't. Other people are going to eat their chips and junk in the car and get crumbs everywhere...

I guess you never take trains or other forms of public transport?

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Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

The iPhone couldn't kill people just because it had issues left and right due to the software not being quite yet up to par.

A cellphone isn't a car. There is a reason why people expect a LOT more perfection when it comes to trusting your life to a machine.

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> Unfortunately this is really common on HN nowadays. I see things differently. Anyone who criticized Theranos was met with the same reaction, "Everyone on HN is so negative!" But the questions were valid. Look what happened. The same thing is occurring with Tesla. Yes, there is fantastic work being done, but many people here can't separate marketing from the real world. It's shocking, frankly.

Are you suggesting that Tesla is defrauding investors and regulators, as Theranos did?

When I looked into the Solar City after the announcement of the Tesla buying them, these "Solar Bonds" did make me a bit uneasy. Their interest rate implies junk...

https://solarbonds.solarcity.com/

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