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Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by codedokode »

plugger wrote: post #150
codedokode wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to build an analogy the display of power by Russia would be if it requested to extradite Litvinenko for trial and UK would comply (I don't know if they tried to do it). > But they can. They need preexisting extradition agreements and it's all good. Then let's wait to see whether muslim countries can make such treaties and start judging westerners posting inappropriate jokes about Allah on Facebook. Such p…

> If you want to build an analogy the display of power by Russia would be if it requested to extradite Litvinenko for trial and UK would comply (I don't know if they tried to do it). If you don't know if they tried then why even bring it up, especially since Litvinenko was killed by Russian Intelligence? Speaking of which, how do you feel about a Russian citizen being murdered by other Russian citizens in a foreign c…

Of course that is wrong. Sadly if he was really murdered by government agents and even if they were caught they probably would not serve the full sentence and would be exchanged for some British spy.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by ommunist »

codedokode wrote: post #139
quonn wrote: post #107

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Still, nobody would compare Churchill (or Bush; see above) to Hitler or Stalin. This is because Hitler was not just responsible for the people killed in WWII. Hitler and Stalin also killed people because they wanted to get rid of personal enemies and because they actually wanted to do some form of ethnic cleansing.

Do you have any facts about Stalin doing "ethnic cleansing"? I thought he put people into Gulags no matter what ethnicity they were.

The US _today_ has the highest incarceration rate per 1000 people in the world. It uses slave labor in private prisons _today_. Why are you so keen on digging the Soviet past. Because it is safer to bark on a dead lion?

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by ommunist »

tptacek wrote: post #109
ommunist wrote: post #85

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On a simple basis that guy is not a hacker, but a completely innocent gigolo, grappled by some career-eager US spies.

Ahh, the old Kenneth Lay argument. Good luck with that!

You should read the article to the end. It apeears that I am right.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by ommunist »

quonn wrote: post #107
ommunist wrote: post #86

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Add Sir Winston Churchill to the list. He is personally responsible for death of millions of Bengali people.

Still, nobody would compare Churchill (or Bush; see above) to Hitler or Stalin. This is because Hitler was not just responsible for the people killed in WWII. Hitler and Stalin also killed people because they wanted to get rid of personal enemies and because they actually wanted to do some form of ethnic cleansing.

Well, the US government did ethnic cleansing during the WW2 by putting all Japanese americans to concentration camps. Don't bark onto dead lions. Look what your own government is doing with your own nation today. You have slave labour in private prisons!

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by walshemj »

trhway wrote: post #113
walshemj wrote: post #36

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Driving around in a luxury cars sounds more like a regular criminal than some one working for the FSB etc.

>Driving around in a luxury cars sounds more like a regular criminal than some one working for the FSB etc. you probably doesn't know much about FSB and Russia in general. just for fun, FSB academy "graduation ceremony" this year : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOzZROaFk6Y&list=PLot6UgSr1s...

Shit opsec then ;-)

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by ryanlol »

plugger wrote: post #148
codedokode wrote: post #146

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From a point of view of victim I see no big difference between actions of nation state or a criminal. Should not they be treated equally?

Sure, they should. But they aren't. And I don't believe this case will be the catalyst to change the status quo.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by fdgdasfadsf »

tptacek wrote: post #75
csydas wrote: post #60

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Well in this instance I'm suggesting that the uprooting and deprivation of freedom using foreign law as a basis is unreasonable. I fully admit this is a lay person interpretation and the law likely disagrees, but I would imagine that a more fair process would first let an international court or the local governing body determine in full if they cooperate, not instead have a blanket extradition treaty. Unless I am mis…

Most extradition treaties agree with you, and refuse to extradite unless the crime charged is criminal in both locales.

The exception being the European arrest warrant. Assange was going to be extradited from the UK to Sweden for something that is not a crime in the UK. (Failure to use a condom is considered extremely rude but is not a crime in the UK.)

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by r721 »

r721 wrote: post #37

Police video here: http://www.rferl.org/a/czech-police-detain-russian-hacker-su...

His instagram: https://www.instagram.com/i.tak.soidet/ (43.7K subscribers)

via http://www.currenttime.tv/a/russian-hackers-instagram/280642... (in Russian)

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by zde »

tptacek wrote: post #79
CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #70

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Russia and the US are going to bicker over who gets this person, as the article makes clear and you've alluded to. This is just one of many conflicts between both nations that could have far-reaching political consequences. I'm not sure what's more difficult to follow here? I'm not predicting a specific outcome (or worse, detailing some conspiracy theory); I'm just stating that there's a significant potential for bad…

Russia has no basis for bickering. No norm of international law suggests Russia has the right to shield its citizens from foreign prosecution. US citizens are routinely tried abroad, as well. That was the point of the checklist I provided upthread.

> US citizens are routinely tried abroad, as well.

Unless treaties give jurisdiction to laughable U.S. military courts, which is often the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalese_cable_car_disaster_(1... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by Kalium »

codedokode wrote: post #149
plugger wrote: post #144

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> why Russia, China or Iran cannot? But they can. They need preexisting extradition agreements and it's all good. And the system isn't asymmetric. By their nature extradition agreements are bilateral and therefore symmetric. How has Russia handled extradition requests from the UK for Litvinenko's accused murderers? That strikes me as a display of power by Russia. Would you agree? > Maybe there should be some internat…

If you want to build an analogy the display of power by Russia would be if it requested to extradite Litvinenko for trial and UK would comply (I don't know if they tried to do it). > But they can. They need preexisting extradition agreements and it's all good. Then let's wait to see whether muslim countries can make such treaties and start judging westerners posting inappropriate jokes about Allah on Facebook. Such p…

In general, extradition treaties only cover acts considered criminal by both countries. Thus the situation you fear is neatly prevented.
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