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Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by surfmike »

deeth_starr wrote: post #898
surfmike wrote: post #420

I'm against Trump but this holier-than-thou grandstanding demanding shunning anyone who supports Trump is tiring and small-minded. It's a symptom of a society intolerant of other political beliefs. Moreover, do you think ostracizing 40% of society for their political beliefs is really going to improve our political future? It's easier to cut out people we disagree with than arguing with their beliefs (civilly). Let's…

Dude, go see the comments in reddit /r/the_donald and then get back to me. I hope that the "40%" (more likely 20%) will come back to rational thinking, but we will see. I consider myself a left leaning centrist, and I like some things Donald says, but it's only because a broken watch is right twice a day.

The Reddit and Twitter trolls are terrifying. But are you saying all (or even most) of the >40% of Americans that will vote for Trump are as bad as them?

We'll see what the final percentage is but 538 is polling Trump at around 42% today.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by thescribe »

tnones wrote: post #847
throwaway274739 wrote: post #546

If you vote for Trump, you are supporting a racist, misogynistic, Islamophobic, anti-LGBTQ fascist. You are in fact voting against the very principles of equality, liberty and diversity that this country was founded on. As such voting for -- much less, actually supporting Drumpf -- means you are endorsing violence against huge portions of the American public (e.g., sexual assault against women, imprisonment of Muslim…

Actually, it's about ethics in wielding minorities as a club to smite heretics.

Diversity is the new Deus Vault.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by thescribe »

dragonwriter wrote: post #939
thescribe wrote: post #937

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok how about this: Anyone who supports Hillary is on the wrong side of History and holds views so vile no American should hold them. I can advocate for Pao to be fired now right?

Sure, you can advocate for it. Whether or not you believe that, in fact. People may question both your preferred action and the basis on which you advocate for it, however.

Wouldn't it be easier just to agree to no witch hunts than to hope the winds of public opinion never make us the witch?

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by sctb »

morg0e wrote: post #924
ThomPete wrote: post #127

Marcos understanding of this situation is extremely telling for a fundamental problem with many americans relationship with politics. Most only get involved around election. After that their political interest is non existing. It's easy to get lured into the idea that politics is a simple choice between the moral good and the moral bad, that the choice is simple and that there is a one to one relationship between wha…

> If you don't want dissent, fine just admit it. That way at least you are being honest. Don't wrap your lack of political understanding into some claim of decency. Thank you for making super clear that if we disagree with your position, that we're ill-informed, dishonest, and indecent. You arrogant cunt. > Racism is not just racism, sexism is not just sexism. These are complicated matters by the very nature of them…

We've banned this account.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by dragonwriter »

knucklesandwich wrote: post #936
Nydhal wrote: post #934

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Millenials don't make much money so your median income statistics are skewed toward younger people who tend more democrat.

That only (partially) explains the median income for Bernie voters, not Clinton voters: http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/ Also I'm not sure why that's important, is your assumption that Millennials don't have legitemate economic anxiety?

It's important because while income and class are correlated they aren't the same thing; a young member of the middle class will often have income less than someone well into a working class career.

And Clinton supporters in the general election tend to be much younger than Trump supporters. ("Bernie voters" in the primary are, overwhelmingly, Clinton supporters in the general.)

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by knucklesandwich »

dragonwriter wrote: post #945
knucklesandwich wrote: post #936

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That only (partially) explains the median income for Bernie voters, not Clinton voters: http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/ Also I'm not sure why that's important, is your assumption that Millennials don't have legitemate economic anxiety?

It's important because while income and class are correlated they aren't the same thing; a young member of the middle class will often have income less than someone well into a working class career. And Clinton supporters in the general election tend to be much younger than Trump supporters. ("Bernie voters" in the primary are, overwhelmingly, Clinton supporters in the general.)

Class is a set of wealth and income categories (or is in the US anyways, I can't speak for other countries). I'm not sure why you claim they're "correlated". They're literally the same thing.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by ww520 »

clavalle wrote: post #894
ww520 wrote: post #879

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> To remove from people the right to judge for themselves is the ultimate assault on freedom and liberty. I think we are in agreement here. > Should all views be accepted as equally valid? > Not all views have equal merit and deserve equal treatment. These are just a pretext to suppress views that are deemed invalid, odious, and undesirable. And conveniently any "invalid" view happens to be the ones you don't like. T…

>Oppression happens when you sabotage their work/job/career/business just because their view. I would agree with you except for one thing: money is political power under our current system. If someone is allowed to use their market power to influence our democracy, it is perfectly valid to use market power to oppose that influence. It is a double edged sword.

That's why we have election rules attempting to restrict money influence in the system for BOTH sides, or at least to make it a level playing field.

Targeting people's personal money just because their view is an oppression. It is an easy slippery slope to go down. Income/money/work enable them to express their view. What's next? Their home certainly enable them to express their view. How about their food?

If you want to take money out of politics, work on campaign finance reform. And enforce existing laws to stamp out any violation.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by dragonwriter »

knucklesandwich wrote: post #946
dragonwriter wrote: post #945

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's important because while income and class are correlated they aren't the same thing; a young member of the middle class will often have income less than someone well into a working class career. And Clinton supporters in the general election tend to be much younger than Trump supporters. ("Bernie voters" in the primary are, overwhelmingly, Clinton supporters in the general.)

Class is a set of wealth and income categories (or is in the US anyways, I can't speak for other countries). I'm not sure why you claim they're "correlated". They're literally the same thing.

No, it's not. Income is often used as a proxy for class, but it's not the same thing.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by puppetmaster3 »

ThomPete wrote: post #127

Marcos understanding of this situation is extremely telling for a fundamental problem with many americans relationship with politics. Most only get involved around election. After that their political interest is non existing. It's easy to get lured into the idea that politics is a simple choice between the moral good and the moral bad, that the choice is simple and that there is a one to one relationship between wha…

You for sure flagged my post here.
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