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Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by morg0e »

ThomPete wrote: post #237
tptacek wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is in fact not a fundamental principle of democracy. There is no work of political philosophy anywhere that suggests we should be able to say whatever we'd like "without fear of repercussions". What is a principle of liberal philosophy, though, is that we should be tolerant of the beliefs of others (in the sense of not intervening to suppress them), including intolerant beliefs, until those intolerant beliefs th…

as long as no one have actually formulated an argument based on facts how Trump is a threat to democracy I dont see how he is more dangerous than Hillary, Bush or Obama. And i am pretty sure a large portion of people outide the US see those three as bigger threats to their lives than Trump given US foreign policy. So until someone show how the us system can be destroyed by Trump I stand by my position that Trump is n…

You've asserted without facts that Trump is not a problem.

You've DIRECTLY STATED that only poorly informed autocrats could possibly disagree with you.

And now you have the FUCKING NERVE to claim that you're making evidence based reasoning? FUCK YOU.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

#923

Post by ptaipale »

maxerickson wrote: post #169
ThomPete wrote: post #127

Marcos understanding of this situation is extremely telling for a fundamental problem with many americans relationship with politics. Most only get involved around election. After that their political interest is non existing. It's easy to get lured into the idea that politics is a simple choice between the moral good and the moral bad, that the choice is simple and that there is a one to one relationship between wha…

I'm pretty sure a huge portion of Trump's support is from people that are essentially single issue tax and supreme court voters (for the presidential election). Or even a Yuuuge portion. Jerry Falwell Jr. isn't struggling or left out of the political process. I also don't understand what everyone have the right to say and mean what they want without having to fear the repercussions is supposed to mean. If someone rep…

I think you are mistaken there: single-issue tax and supreme court voters are not a very big part of Trump's support base.

This piece in Cracked managed to explain a lot of the red state support with genuine understanding. The bottom line is, people lash out when they don't have a voice.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-on...

(I'm sorry the headline is just as stupid as all Cracked headlines are. The article is not.)

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

#924

Post by morg0e »

ThomPete wrote: post #127

Marcos understanding of this situation is extremely telling for a fundamental problem with many americans relationship with politics. Most only get involved around election. After that their political interest is non existing. It's easy to get lured into the idea that politics is a simple choice between the moral good and the moral bad, that the choice is simple and that there is a one to one relationship between wha…

> If you don't want dissent, fine just admit it. That way at least you are being honest. Don't wrap your lack of political understanding into some claim of decency.

Thank you for making super clear that if we disagree with your position, that we're ill-informed, dishonest, and indecent. You arrogant cunt.

> Racism is not just racism, sexism is not just sexism. These are complicated matters by the very nature of them being about human relationships.

OH PLEASE MISTER WHITE MAN TELL ME ABOUT RACISM AND SEXISM. You utter and complete cunt.

You simply CAN NOT start a conversation the way you started it, and have it end well. It can't happen. You can't say that only idiots disagree with you and that nobody else understands the issues and have it go well.

If HN was a decent website, you'd be banned for a few weeks for this DUMB FUCKING POST of yourse.

Sadly, HN isn't decent at all, and you didn't use profanity, so your arrogant bullshit will be upvoted by other white men.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by knucklesandwich »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #534
ThomPete wrote: post #127

Marcos understanding of this situation is extremely telling for a fundamental problem with many americans relationship with politics. Most only get involved around election. After that their political interest is non existing. It's easy to get lured into the idea that politics is a simple choice between the moral good and the moral bad, that the choice is simple and that there is a one to one relationship between wha…

> he represents a group of people who haven't been represented for the last 40 years. A group who are themselves excluded from society. A group who experience their own form of discrimination by the likes of Marcos, me and everyone else who are benefitting from the progress of technology, globalization, taxation rules and so on. I honestly think there's not a good choice in this election, but I find it ironic that th…

Because it's utter bullshit. All of the polling tells us the Trump voters skew higher in wealth and wages than Clinton voters and that hate for "the other" is largely motivating their choice. It's a narrative Republicans love because it gives them some tie to authentic "real Americans" and an argument to deflect from their pure, naked racism and neoliberal Democrats love because it allows them to pin Trump on the working class, but it's completely wrong.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by dragonwriter »

knucklesandwich wrote: post #925
AsyncAwait wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he represents a group of people who haven't been represented for the last 40 years. A group who are themselves excluded from society. A group who experience their own form of discrimination by the likes of Marcos, me and everyone else who are benefitting from the progress of technology, globalization, taxation rules and so on. I honestly think there's not a good choice in this election, but I find it ironic that th…

Because it's utter bullshit. All of the polling tells us the Trump voters skew higher in wealth and wages than Clinton voters and that hate for "the other" is largely motivating their choice. It's a narrative Republicans love because it gives them some tie to authentic "real Americans" and an argument to deflect from their pure, naked racism and neoliberal Democrats love because it allows them to pin Trump on the wor…

You accurately describe what I've seen of primary polling, but not what little general election polling I've seen that breaks out income levels, e.g., http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/18/1-voters-general-elec...

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by knucklesandwich »

dragonwriter wrote: post #926
knucklesandwich wrote: post #925

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's utter bullshit. All of the polling tells us the Trump voters skew higher in wealth and wages than Clinton voters and that hate for "the other" is largely motivating their choice. It's a narrative Republicans love because it gives them some tie to authentic "real Americans" and an argument to deflect from their pure, naked racism and neoliberal Democrats love because it allows them to pin Trump on the wor…

You accurately describe what I've seen of primary polling, but not what little general election polling I've seen that breaks out income levels, e.g., http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/18/1-voters-general-elec...

Read the poll, this still shows that Clinton has a larger slice of low income voters. Also who do you think Trump's base is? The people who voted for him given a pick at any of the potential nominees for president, or the people who had additional choices eliminated and were encouraged to vote based on partisan loyalty?

Also I've included polling data that is past the primary, and includes voter sentiment for the general election, such as the gallop poll. The trend towards upper-middle craftsmen jobs remains.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

#928

Post by BrendanEich »

ryanobjc wrote: post #914
pko722 wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh. People keep bringing up Brendan Eich. What happened there is very simple: a good chunk of Mozilla PR and marketing is about freedom. Software and online freedom, yes, but the word "freedom" is used a fair bit. Eich monetarily supported a cause that aimed to take away freedom for a certain class of people. This is incongruent for the face of an organization that has freedom one of its core messages. Mozilla is f…

ALSO his inability to handle the controversy demonstrated his lack of CEO abilities.

You don't know what went on during my ten days as CEO, but that won't stop you from disparaging my CEO abilities without actual evidence, will it? Talk to @christi3k or @lsblakk or others who supported me before you disparage, if you care about testimony from people who were there.

Important update (should go without saying): that I left does not prove anything about CEO abilities. There's only one line I do say about why I left, and it is vague. You can find it on my blog from 3 April 2014, I'm not repeating it here.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

#929

Post by hiringmanager »

You really need to stop confusing the opinion of a propaganda site for reality. Shame on you for being so completely patronizing and such an asshole as to imply that I haven't spent any time thinking about this. This issue affects me directly, so you can't possibly know how little regard I have for your anti-intellectualism (and you've been anti-intellectual for years here).

You believe what you want to believe and you find propaganda a that fits it and you define it as truth.

You're a exactly as intellectual as a religious fundamentalists. In fact, you're a jihadist. No amount of intellectual dishonesty is "a bad tactic" when you have a "good target".

Shame on you, you patronizing bigot.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

#930

Post by maxerickson »

ptaipale wrote: post #923
maxerickson wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure a huge portion of Trump's support is from people that are essentially single issue tax and supreme court voters (for the presidential election). Or even a Yuuuge portion. Jerry Falwell Jr. isn't struggling or left out of the political process. I also don't understand what everyone have the right to say and mean what they want without having to fear the repercussions is supposed to mean. If someone rep…

I think you are mistaken there: single-issue tax and supreme court voters are not a very big part of Trump's support base. This piece in Cracked managed to explain a lot of the red state support with genuine understanding. The bottom line is, people lash out when they don't have a voice. http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-on... (I'm sorry the headline is just as stupid as all Cracked headlines…

Yeah, I read some of that the other day. I continue to think that my single issue voters together are a larger block than the people in that article. The article doesn't have any more statistics than I do.
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