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Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by smsm42 »

tptacek wrote: post #441
grandalf wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not believe Trump is significantly more intolerant than HRC or any other likely presidential candidate, he simply focuses his rhetoric on populist ire across all of his positions. It's the only trick he knows so he does it again and again. Additionally, HRC has in the past advocated a nearly identical "wall" policy but used softer rhetoric: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gUAdAYFbIc GOP candidates for several e…

That's fine. I mean, again: I would urge you to reconsider. But we otherwise don't have a live debate, I don't think. I am not here to argue that people who oppose Hillary Clinton should change their minds (they should, though!). I'm here to urge Sam Altman, who does not agree with you, that his continued support for Peter Thiel is harming the goal he shares with me of preventing a Trump Presidency now, or in 2020.

Maybe his goals include more than just preventing Trump Presidency? I mean, it may be that somebody thinks literally nothing is more important than preventing Trump from becoming President - after all, there was already a guy who tried to assassinate Trump - but I think claiming that's only possible way to think is going too far. There might be other priorities in life too.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by rfrank »

nicholassmith wrote: post #782
rfrank wrote: post #696

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FBI report. Of course, it's a "joke" that Hillary "can't recall." Even though, "The statement drew laughter from the room which quickly died off when the Secretary kept talking in a terse manner, sources said. Clinton said Assange, after all, was a relatively soft target, “walking around” freely and thumbing his nose without any fear of reprisals from the United States. Clinton was upset about Assange’s previous 2010…

Snopes must be having a pretty high traffic month: http://www.snopes.com/julian-assange-drone-strike/

lol snopes

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by problems »

creo wrote: post #93

Tell me one thing YC community: What american politics topics are doing on worldwide tech-focused site?

Good question - a dumb bayes script could get rid of this, think I can hack something together with sklearn in a few hours.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by throwaway_415 »

Zarath wrote: post #731
throwaway_415 wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the racial manner in which he has chosen to conduct his campaign. Today we see the normalisation of hatred and marginalisation of entire races and religions. It's not even dog whistles, rather flat out villification purely based on observable groups. It might not bother the average white male, but believe it or not, there are other groups in society who will uprise one day in a very violent manner if t…

What about the normalization of hatred against an even larger portion of the population, those that support Trump? Speaking of uprising, ever think that Trump is a reaction to the marginalization and demonization of a certain subset of the population?

You cannot be serious. I have no sympathy and absolutely pure hatred for white nationalist nazi types on Breitbart. That is justified. I can't wait for all the racist old whites to die out in 3 to 4 decades resulting in world peace.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by etjossem »

rfrank wrote: post #696
Natsu wrote: post #668

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Haven't seen that one. May I have a source, please?

FBI report. Of course, it's a "joke" that Hillary "can't recall." Even though, "The statement drew laughter from the room which quickly died off when the Secretary kept talking in a terse manner, sources said. Clinton said Assange, after all, was a relatively soft target, “walking around” freely and thumbing his nose without any fear of reprisals from the United States. Clinton was upset about Assange’s previous 2010…

The original source is not an FBI report and you are completely misinformed. An unknown blog which contains nothing but right-wing hit pieces claims to have anonymous sources in the State Department. Until I hear this quote echoed by professional journalists with the integrity to verify their sources, I will take it with the grain of salt it deserves.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by anaptdemise »

tptacek wrote: post #429
twelvechairs wrote: post #423

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Certainly societal segregation is part of freedom of speech. John stuart mill is a key refefence to this. His general principle is that government should only step in to prevent harm but sometimes segregation based on belief can be that harm (his 'tyranny of the majority') Now nobody we are talking about is struggling to survive based on their beliefs but whether its right to start segregating people for their views…

John Stuart Mill did not believe that people should be shielded from criticism, even massed criticism, for fear that they might be victimized by their own bad feels. In fact: Mill believes that the preservation of free society and ordered democracy with equal access by citizens was one of the few reasons society has to limit freedom . As luck would have it, we're here today debating the very real candidacy of a perso…

If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind. (1978, 16)

Such liberty should exist with every subject matter so that we have “absolute freedom of opinion and sentiment on all subjects, practical or speculative, scientific, moral or theological” (1978, 11). Mill claims that the fullest liberty of expression is required to push our arguments to their logical limits, rather than the limits of social embarrassment. Such liberty of expression is necessary, he suggests, for the dignity of persons. If liberty of expression is stifled, the price paid is “a sort of intellectual pacification” that sacrifices “ the entire moral courage of the human mind” (1978, 31).

[1] http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/freedom-speech/#JohStuMilH...

Also, throughout all your comments, it is more than critical analysis of Thiel, Altman, et al. You seem to be calling for social or economic punishments for a political view. I doubt Mill would agree that ba[c]king a major political party's candidate is grounds for the kind of societal justice you claim is warranted.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by throwaway_415 »

Zarath wrote: post #731
throwaway_415 wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the racial manner in which he has chosen to conduct his campaign. Today we see the normalisation of hatred and marginalisation of entire races and religions. It's not even dog whistles, rather flat out villification purely based on observable groups. It might not bother the average white male, but believe it or not, there are other groups in society who will uprise one day in a very violent manner if t…

What about the normalization of hatred against an even larger portion of the population, those that support Trump? Speaking of uprising, ever think that Trump is a reaction to the marginalization and demonization of a certain subset of the population?

Oh just realised you only have 3 posts none tech related. Back to DailyStormer for you my friend.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by throwaway425378 »

MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #630

To be charitable, you're full of shit. Does Hillary encourage violence at rallies? Does she stoke resentment at minority outgroups for political gain? Does she threaten to imprison her political opponents? Is she preemptively calling the election fraudulent and encouraging polling place intimidation and violence? Also you mixed up "kind" and "degree". The difference between them is, in fact, one of kind. Sure, she's…

>Does Hillary encourage violence at rallies?

That's what "community organizations" are for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by phlakaton »

I believe that Trump is uniquely unfit for office, more than any major presidential candidate I've seen in my lifetime.

I believe, though I cannot prove, that should Trump be elected, he stands a well better than average chance of being an existential threat to our republic. So I do not take this election lightly at all.

That being said, I believe Mr. Thiel may say has he likes and spend his money where he likes, though his choice of candidate, like for many Republican voters, disappoints me greatly. I do not believe he speaks for YC in doing so, and I do not expect YC to terminate their relationship with him for him doing so.

I see no shame in this.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

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Post by j_gu »

dlss wrote: post #299
tptacek wrote: post #204

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That is in fact not a fundamental principle of democracy. There is no work of political philosophy anywhere that suggests we should be able to say whatever we'd like "without fear of repercussions". What is a principle of liberal philosophy, though, is that we should be tolerant of the beliefs of others (in the sense of not intervening to suppress them), including intolerant beliefs, until those intolerant beliefs th…

I don't know if you followed what happened to the Atheist community in the US, but its downfall was essentially the kind of witch hunt you're trying to incite. The level of virtue signaling demanded gradually increases until no one is left in the community. This invariably happens because the question you're asking ("does intolerant belief X threaten society?") has no absolute answer, so there is always a higher leve…

SJWs, in other words.
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