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Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

#131

"That beloved pets should not be given the opportunity to kill wildlife for sport is the easy part of this debate." Why not start by extending that to humans as well?

In many cases, humans are hunting species which don't have any effective natural predators, either because said species were introduced into the environment by humans (as is the case with feral pigs), or because humans have exterminated the existing predators (as is the case with wolves, who kept deer populations in check).

For example, in Texas, the problem with feral pigs is so severe that two thirds of the entire population needs to be culled each year in order to maintain it at a stable level.

The things that cats hunt, though, generally do have other natural predators to keep them in check, and getting cats into that game causes populations to plummet.

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

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So silly... we worry about cats, but humans BY FAR are worse for the planet than cats. Maybe we should be talking about the mass execution of humans who pose no positive benefit for the population as a whole? We, as the dominant species, are always looking for ways to save the planet - but for the most part it is a blame game. Humans are what helped cats hit all corners of the world. Cats aren't responsible, so why t…

> Maybe we should be talking about the mass execution of humans who pose no positive benefit for the population as a whole?

Are you serious?

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

#133
post #54

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Just stop. Stop bickering about cats being the problem. The problem is humans... We are the problem. Their existence is due to us. Their domestication is due to us.

Certainly. So what should humans do about the cats?

Allow people to own dogs? I know where I live, many pet-owners who could have gone either way choose a cat just because there are almost no landlords who allow dogs.

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

#134

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Uh, the fantasy world your dad described is not the real world. Cows are one thing, they are too big to lose except perhaps in India, but do you have any idea what environmental damage is being done by feral pigs that were "let free to eat for the day' and never came back? If you want to domesticate an animal to work for you, then you take responsibility for it and all it does, plain and simple. Eventually we will us…

> It should not be too surprising what apex predators like cats (we make them tiny, but they are at the top of the food chain nonetheless) can do to ecosystems if crazy people (us) confuse them with cuddly toys and breed and feed them without control. Just for nitpicking: How can they be "apex predators" "at the top of the food chain" when they're eaten by coyotes e.g.?

Different apex predators sometimes compete. Humans, for instance, can be eaten by lions, but we're apex predators nonetheless. The point of being an apex predator is that you're not a staple of anyone else's diet.

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

#135
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"but cats, their human partisans will proudly point out, cannot be tamed or herded" Just check CATMANTOO channel on Youtube, you will be amazed at what he makes his cats do. And apparently it's that hard to train a cat, he says you can do the same with yours.

It's amazing how a cat will learn something in 5 seconds if they are truly motivated. They will learn a squirt gun so fast they will spook if you make one with your fingers. My cats learned what "treat" meant in a day and run to the kitchen if we say the word to them.

Right. Cats are smart. They're just evil, murderous sociopaths who've learned to put on a cute exterior.

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

#136
post #119

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Countering your anecdotal evidence with some of my own: it works fine for many, many cats. Even if the success rate is <100%, it's worth doing.

Or just keep them inside which is 100% successful as well

If your going to keep a cat inside all the time, then you shouldn't own one.

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

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> "They totally freak me out," says Courtney Bledsoe, as she sees a rat dart across the street while picking up her son at a Lincoln Park preschool. And we're having rats picking up children at school, now.

And if they are going to pick up children, the least they could do is cross the street carefully at the designated crosswalk rather than just darting willy-nilly. Rats these days...

No no no. She's not freaked at by the rats at all, but by the kids! That's why she lets the rats pick them up.

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

#138

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> It should not be too surprising what apex predators like cats (we make them tiny, but they are at the top of the food chain nonetheless) can do to ecosystems if crazy people (us) confuse them with cuddly toys and breed and feed them without control. Just for nitpicking: How can they be "apex predators" "at the top of the food chain" when they're eaten by coyotes e.g.?

Different apex predators sometimes compete. Humans, for instance, can be eaten by lions, but we're apex predators nonetheless. The point of being an apex predator is that you're not a staple of anyone else's diet.

Thanks for the clarification.

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

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It seems kind of obvious that indoor cats would have less disease. Outdoor cats are exposed to a lot more than indoor cats are. And there's a few big ones, like Feline leukemia or Feline Aids, that indoor cats simply don't get because they don't come into contact with other cats that have them. As long as the cats eat a healthy diet and have enough exercise, indoor cats should be expected to live longer than outdoor…

It does seem obvious but plenty of things that seem obviously so turn out not to be after a study is done. I don't know of any actual studies of it. It might be possible to get the data simply by reviewing at records from pet veterinarians. There are other reasons to keep cats inside, as is the subject of the article. The problem is much worse in Australia where birds and small marsupials nest on the ground.

Why on earth was this down voted? It simply says a study is more useful than emotion.
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