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Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

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> This is a ridiculous point to waffle on: pet cats should no more be allowed to roam around at will than should pet dogs, horses, pythons, or pot-bellied pigs. Actually, my Dad grew up on a mountain where, every day after school, he would come home and gather up the pig and cows that had been let free to eat for the day. So there's certainly use cases for letting a pig roam free and gather some forage. By the time I…

Were your dad's pigs allowed to wander over to his neighbor's vegetable garden?

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

#92
post #87

I'm curious about toxoplasmosis. Is it a benign illness? I often am in contact with my two house cats.

It's not benign, though predominately its a problem in those with compromised immune systems in the U.S. (things are different in S. America).

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

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> This is a ridiculous point to waffle on: pet cats should no more be allowed to roam around at will than should pet dogs, horses, pythons, or pot-bellied pigs. Actually, my Dad grew up on a mountain where, every day after school, he would come home and gather up the pig and cows that had been let free to eat for the day. So there's certainly use cases for letting a pig roam free and gather some forage. By the time I…

I have owned cats my entire adult life (I'm 58) and have never allowed them outside. They do just fine indoors. They also live longer, healthier lives, with less disease and much less danger from cars, raccoons, etc. And they don't bother the neighbors. In the country, I could imagine letting cats outside -- though only after getting them neutered or spayed -- but in the city or suburbs, where I have lived, keeping t…

I agree. I did have a cat that came to me. It showed up on on my property (of rather small size) and wouldn't leave. When the weather got nasty, he would come in for the night, but would sit at the door until we let him out, and if we didn't his cries got progressively worse until we did. He was just too used to the part inside/outside life. Before he showed up, we had a serious mouse and rat problem. A few months after he arrived, no more problem. I literally never saw any evidence of rats/mice again (5+ years until we moved).

The mice were getting to be a problem, btw, because they were burrowing between the walls of my house and making noise at night, and doing god knows what damage in there.

My wife was once on the porch with him. She was gardening (lots of potted plants, etc). He was laying there in the sun and snapped up to grab a hummingbird in flight. She grabbed him and he spit it into her hand. The hummingbird flew away a few seconds later. That was when I realized how efficient a predator he was.

EDIT: and he did get into a fight with a raccoon once, that required stitches. So, living inside will definitely increase the health and length of life.

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

#94
post #85

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https://www.vetinfo.com/indoor-outdoor-cat-life-expectancy.h... 'A pet that spends more time outdoors may live on average 2 to 3 years less than a cat that lives exclusively indoors.'

Yes but it's not clear that the life expectancy is shortened by disease rather than accident (interactions with cars, coyotes or unpleasant people, for example). That indoor cats live longer seems reasonably well attested. However here's some anecdata: sum of my parents' 8 indoor/outdoor cats + my 3 indoor/outdoor cats: none have lived less than 13 years (two made it to 18). My parents two indoor-only cats both died…

It seems kind of obvious that indoor cats would have less disease. Outdoor cats are exposed to a lot more than indoor cats are. And there's a few big ones, like Feline leukemia or Feline Aids, that indoor cats simply don't get because they don't come into contact with other cats that have them. As long as the cats eat a healthy diet and have enough exercise, indoor cats should be expected to live longer than outdoor cats on the average.

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

#95
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Just stop. Stop bickering about cats being the problem. The problem is humans... We are the problem. Their existence is due to us. Their domestication is due to us.

Certainly. So what should humans do about the cats?

Probably just have fewer cats

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I've heard multiple stories on this theme: a farm cat that's lived out in the barn and fields for years, often not particularly concerned with humans, one day decides to hang it up and "retire" to a comfortable old age being a cozy house cat. I find this behavior to be so absolutely fascinating .

Not to dispirit you but the idea that mammals get lazier as they get older is a mighty low bar for fascination

I dunno, I find it pretty interesting too (and I hadn't heard any stories like this before). It's a pretty significant change in behavior, especially to just happen out of the blue one day.

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

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Yeah, the hard part is just that cats have different motivations than dogs. Dogs will do something just because they know you want them to do it and you are above them in the pack. They are also more likely to be food motivated. One of my cats is very food motivated. She will always come running for the word "treat". One of them is extremely not food motivated. He gets excited when I say treat because the other cats…

"Dogs will do something just because they know you want them to do it and you are above them in the pack. They are also more likely to be food motivated." Dr. John Pilley, who trained his dog Chaser to learn over 1000 words and even syntax (like the difference between "To ball take Frisbee" and "To Frisbee take ball")[1], said Chaser is best motivated by play. "My last words to the class were to remind them that play…

That is super cool. So perhaps amend my statement to something like, "all animals have different motivations, and the best way to train one involves finding the strongest motivation for that individual."

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

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post #54

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Are you suggesting we should ignore an ecological disaster because the perpetrators are "just doing their job"? Citing the historical reasons for their existence doesn't really help the case that they aren't a problem now because the exact reason that it's now and not then . Cats may have had a purpose when they were introduced but in most cases they don't actually serve that purpose anymore. And we can ignore that p…

Just stop. Stop bickering about cats being the problem. The problem is humans... We are the problem. Their existence is due to us. Their domestication is due to us.

It seems this thread is filled with defensive cat-lovers who have no argument other than to bury heads in the sand.

Re: The Killer Cats Are Winning

#100
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just stop. Stop bickering about cats being the problem. The problem is humans... We are the problem. Their existence is due to us. Their domestication is due to us.

Certainly. So what should humans do about the cats?

Spay/neuter your pet. It's the most effective thing to do.
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