Apple removes Scratch from iPad/iPhone/iTouch

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 9:26 PM UTC

vtail wrote: post #37

endergen wrote: post #35

This is not exactly what Alan Kay hoped for when he talked about the iPhone foreshadowing the iPad: "When the Mac first came out, Newsweek asked me what I [thought] of it. I said: Well, it’s the first personal computer worth criticizing. So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world."…

Could you please elaborate on what is exactly 'disrespectful to history'? Dynabook concept was out there since 1968, not patented as far as I know - anyone could have 'borrowed' it and reaped the benefits. The fact that Apple has provided a particular implementation of the concept, even with all the software restrictions etc., is a step in right direction. Competition will certainly follow.

Post by hoggle » Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 9:31 PM UTC

api wrote: post #36

lallysingh wrote: post #4

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Yeah, that's linux now, and only for software dev creativity.

Unfortunately, it is only for software dev creativity. Nobody else can really use Linux. (I say that as a long time Linux user... I would never give Linux to a non-techie.)

Post by wrs » Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 9:50 PM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #11

ajg1977 wrote: post #10

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So I imagine Apple will soon be taking down the Secret of Money Island and the Sim games, since I know for a fact both of these use interpreters. No, of course they won't. Because those titles bring in big bucks and are from the types of developer Apple wants to develop for their device. It the capricious and selective enforcement of the SDKs T&Cs that is the biggest problem for developers. It's not that Apple are ag…

Actually they fully allow interpreters as long as it doesn't allow users to run arbitrary code. They allowed the Commodore 64 emulator once direct access to the BASIC interpreter was removed: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/10/iphone-commodore-64-emulat... Of course, all these products were put into the app store before rule 3.3.1.

Post by jstevens85 » Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 10:12 PM UTC

endergen wrote: post #42

endergen wrote: post #39

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The last paragraph came across much stronger than I intended. I've removed it for now until I articulate what I intended better(or never).

I agree in general with what I take to be your stance, that people who actually get it out there into the mainstream and do it well should be rewarded. And that open markets will always create competition so therefore some strict control is ok if it gets us there. To clarify, I wouldn't expect an academic to patent his work. He wants his works to be freely available to everyone. It's Steve Job's/Apple's right ethical…

Post by DavidSJ » Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 10:50 PM UTC

jstevens85 wrote: post #47

endergen wrote: post #42

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I agree in general with what I take to be your stance, that people who actually get it out there into the mainstream and do it well should be rewarded. And that open markets will always create competition so therefore some strict control is ok if it gets us there. To clarify, I wouldn't expect an academic to patent his work. He wants his works to be freely available to everyone. It's Steve Job's/Apple's right ethical…

>But as a Tools/Interface developer it's so frustrating to not be allowed to commercialize say an IDE that utilizes multi-touch to make software editing/navigation more efficient or enjoyable. There's no reason why you can't implement an IDE on the iPhone/iPad. The only restriction is that you can't compile arbitrary code. I don't want to say too much here because I'm working on a similar idea, but there's really no…