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The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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I've found that Meyers Briggs feels accurate to people whose classifications don't fall right on the margin. If two of the letters fall close to the margin, parts of the description will feel a bit inaccurate.

In my opinion, the Meyers Briggs is useful mainly because it can help people become more self-aware and more empathetic toward others.

I've observed that in a group of 15 people who just got their Meyers Briggs results, several usually think it was uncannily accurate, and a few are immediately defensive because the result does not jive with their self-perception (usually because the personality type is described as similar to some unsavory characters from history). When I read articles criticizing Meyers Briggs, I always assume it was written by one of these people.

If you are in a relationship, one interesting game to play with your significant other is to take the Meyers Briggs test and then read some of the stuff that has been written about relationship compatibility through the Meyers Briggs lens. I've found it to be quite accurate for many couples I know. There is also a very amusing book called Please Understand me II which has detailed write-ups about the characteristics of each type. It's great for parties to read out loud everyone's results over a glass of wine.

IMHO Personality tests are useful mainly to encourage self-awareness, introspection and empathy. As a Meyers Briggs ENTP I find the descriptions of an ENTP personality flattering and desirable. I suspect nearly any type would find their own type description equally flattering and desirable.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

#42
And it can be harmful. People use their categorization as an excuse (I know I have). "I'm an INTP, I can't have a normal career, I always lose interest and move on to the next thing!"

Yeah... this is called being undisciplined. Experts and Masters aren't born with the discipline to master their craft. They struggle like anyone else, but they break through those barriers and continue their mastery.

Don't use your personality as an excuse to get around the discipline and practice components of success. Don't let the introvert label be an excuse for you being a standoffish asshole or a hermit.

Go on the subreddits for these ... such as /r/INTP and browse a bit ... they are sad.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

#43
The weirdest job interview I ever went to was for a sales position at a software development company. These guys had me do a Myers-Briggs test online a few days before the interview. After taking a day off and making a long drive to see these guys, the manager introduced himself by saying "We don't want you for this job. With your personality type you can't be a salesman. I let you come here anyway, though, because our web developer is really overwhelmed. Would you be willing to meet him and talk about working for him?"

It was so bizarre it took me a while to decide if they were insane or just incredibly rude. Upon reflection, they were both.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

#44

My opinion is that the real value of tools like this is to give people a common vocabulary to talk about themselves and understand others. I think StrengthsFinder[0] does a particularly good job at this. The danger is when people assume they understand somone (or themselves) based on the letters/scores/etc. sans dialogue/reflection. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now%2C_Discover_Your_Strengths

Yep, personality indicators are a useful way to understand oneself and others in terms of personal interaction.

Sadly, these tests are misused by well-meaning HR departments who are in no position, as amateur psychologists, to make _any_ decisions based personality test results.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

#45

As an individual (INFJ) thoroughly interested in Myers-Briggs, I often see this discussion brought up. As a short rebuttal, I feel as though many of those who tout Myers-Briggs as a comprehensive personality test fail to understand what the Myers-Briggs attempts to identify. While the "value-add" is more subjective, I'm going to go ahead and say it's not as useless as this article claims. While I don't think anyone (…

That is a completely reasonable approach. Like astrology or tarot cards. Getting people thinking about big questions in a non threatening way can spark interesting conversations. There are a lot of cultural norms that prevent people from talking about themselves in that kind of way. A little hocus pocus can help cut through that.

In that same spirit alcohol is a pretty great social lubricant. A little bit of booze lowers people's inhibitions enough to have fun conversations.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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Similar comments have been raised about the MMPI. On a quick look again, I found: https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2009/08/fascinating-... he original developers of the MMPI questionnaire went about choosing their "normal" control group. They compared test answers from patients in hospitals for the mentally ill with answers from people working in and visiting those hospitals. Who’s to say those workers and vis…

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Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

#47
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> the most obvious flaw is that the MBTI seems to rely exclusively on binary choices….For example, in the category of extrovert v introvert, you’re either one or the other; there is no middle ground This is categorically false. Myers Briggs results are quite literally reported on a spectrum of 100 I - 0 - E 100, with your position on the spectrum shown. The 4 letter rollup is exactly that: a summary rollup of your te…

Then why do we use the summary rollup when it completely loses any of the granular insights? It makes no sense for me to say I'm an E when it was 51E, 49I. For me personally, shouldn't I instead say something like 51E64N60F65J? Likewise, the "insights" you get into your 4 letters is based on whatever the majority letter was, even when your percentages are nowhere near 100% for each.

Eh, I'm right on the E/I border and pretty strongly test one way in the other categories so I just say i'm barely an I and then NTJ.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really don't get why some people can't seem to tell the difference between things like MBTIs and astrological signs/zodiacs/horoscopes Then let me try to help clarify. MBTI has no predictive power ("I'm an INTP, so... ?") and is not falsifiable. Those are the delineators between science and pseudoscience, so that's why I bucket it with astrology.

Add to that "People receive different MBTI results even in the same week."

That proves what? If you want to argue that people's MBTI fluctuates too wildly to be meaningful, the proper question is whether there's any information gain from knowing a person's previous MBTI results for subsequent tests, not whether it is exactly the same. And the answer to that is yes. If you know I scored INTP on my last test, am I equally likely to score say ESFJ on a subsequent test as opposed to INTP or something closer to it (there are four dimensions after all) than a randomly selected person? Nope.

If I ask you what your weight and height is today, it's indicative of what your weight and height will be a year from now even if the number doesn't fit into exactly the same rounded range. Doesn't mean weight and height are meaningless if the answers change classifications a bit.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

#49
At the company I work for, everybody took the test and then we all sat down with a coach to go over the scope of Meyers Briggs and exactly what each part meant. As we were going through this with our team we each had a card in front of us with our type on them.

Explaining the profile parts while seeing your team members profiles was a great exercise for us because it effectively taught us how to communicate better with each other. I'm an ENFJ on a team of highly technical introverts INTJ.

We learned how to work better together, how to communicate better and they also learned how/when to better utilize me for interactions with the rest of the company.

Until we did this exercise it was just some interesting test results.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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post #3

What is wrong with recording personality traits of people, and determining correlations between them? Because that is essentially what the test does.

Nothing's wrong with the idea, but the MBTI does it in a way which does not have external validity.

Interesting to see the results of the polls on HN:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=204240

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7365294

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