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The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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It's basically horoscope for geeks More articles https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/go... Edit: http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddessig/2014/09/29/the-mysteri... And the Guardian article https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2013/mar/...

I first read about the Myers-Briggs controversy via Malcolm Gladwell in the New Yorker over a decade ago: http://gladwell.com/personality-plus/

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

#32

It's basically horoscope for geeks More articles https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/go... Edit: http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddessig/2014/09/29/the-mysteri... And the Guardian article https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2013/mar/...

I'd characterize it as a pseudo-scientific horoscope.

It's marginally analogous to the Big Five personality traits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits - this is the personality paradigm recognized by academia), it just leaves out the tendency to experience negative emotions (probably because neuroticism is a negative thing, and businesses like their HR experiences and training to be as positive and feel-good as the bottom line allows.)

It is unfortunate that people like the false dichotomies and the Forer effect (the generic but positive descriptions that apply to just about everybody.)

I'm sure the Myers Briggs people would be selling the Big Five if they thought they could copyright it.

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post #5

If you want a scientific measure of personality you can use the Big Five. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

Which notably do correlate closely with Myers-Briggs traits, so if you believe the one is meaningful then so is the other.

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I get highly skeptical whenever I encounter things like this. I've been subjected to "DiSC" profiling at a previous employer. After taking the test we were subjected to a 3 hour session where we slowly discovered and learned about our unique profile. The best part was I compared my strengths and weaknesses with someone who had an "opposite" personality and they were pretty close to identical. Granted there is a lot t…

And when your employer totally buys in to the bullshit, there's a strong incentive to game the system -- make sure you're classified as a DI (Dominance/Inducement) if you want to move up the management ranks.

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This is so poorly thought out. I really don't get why some people can't seem to tell the difference between things like MBTIs and astrological signs/zodiacs/horoscopes in terms of their potential to classify people in a meaningful way... One is an arbitrary mapping of a person's date of birth to an set of traits and prophesies. The other is a brief summary of a person's personality/behavioral inclinations based on a…

> I really don't get why some people can't seem to tell the difference between things like MBTIs and astrological signs/zodiacs/horoscopes

Then let me try to help clarify. MBTI has no predictive power ("I'm an INTP, so... ?") and is not falsifiable. Those are the delineators between science and pseudoscience, so that's why I bucket it with astrology.

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#36
We recently took the Kolbe Index test and I found it WAY more useful than the Myers-Briggs. It's much more intuitive and the results, at least to me, seemed to be much easier to relate to. It's a great process to put higher level execs and team members to learn how best to draw from their strengths and weaknesses.

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Except for what you put into it. The conceptualization of meaning as being located only in quantifiable scientific measurement is a denigration to the immense benefits and resilience a person can derived from the places they choose to locate meaning, rather than only the places that any formalized worldview insists are the acceptable ones.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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This is so poorly thought out. I really don't get why some people can't seem to tell the difference between things like MBTIs and astrological signs/zodiacs/horoscopes in terms of their potential to classify people in a meaningful way... One is an arbitrary mapping of a person's date of birth to an set of traits and prophesies. The other is a brief summary of a person's personality/behavioral inclinations based on a…

When I talk about external validity, what I mean is that the MBTI does not predict how people actually behave. What it says about you, and what you actually are, do not line up often enough or non-trivially enough for it to be valuable.

The problem is not variation over time - that's fine. The problem is that when someone gets a result, that result doesn't say what it claims to about them. It's similar to astrology because while it has a series of well-defined rules for making a decision, that decision does not reflect reality. It is therefore effectively arbitrary.

Both MBTI and astrology are internally valid - that is, the same person will get the same or similar results the majority of the time. That doesn't mean they mean anything.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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This is so poorly thought out. I really don't get why some people can't seem to tell the difference between things like MBTIs and astrological signs/zodiacs/horoscopes in terms of their potential to classify people in a meaningful way... One is an arbitrary mapping of a person's date of birth to an set of traits and prophesies. The other is a brief summary of a person's personality/behavioral inclinations based on a…

> I really don't get why some people can't seem to tell the difference between things like MBTIs and astrological signs/zodiacs/horoscopes Then let me try to help clarify. MBTI has no predictive power ("I'm an INTP, so... ?") and is not falsifiable. Those are the delineators between science and pseudoscience, so that's why I bucket it with astrology.

Add to that "People receive different MBTI results even in the same week."

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

#40
post #17

The Birkman Method is a far better tool that doesn't 'put you in a box' so to speak. We use it exclusively at Elaura and with our hoozyu and expresso apps. https://hoozyu.com https://expresso.elaura.com

I found this blog post interesting along the same lines: The Tests Who Think They Know Me http://exilelifestyle.com/tests/

Disclaimer: I work for Birkman

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