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The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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I wonder how MBTI would be perceived if instead of simply a binary EI/NS/FT/PJ, anyone within a standard deviation of the mean got an X, so you could be INXX if you were solidly introverted and intuitive, but not particularly strongly aligned on the later two axes.

Naturally most people would have at least an X or two, but it would be much more useful if people didn't have to advertise an F or T if it didn't really matter for describing them.

Though it probably wouldn't have caught on. Who wants to be the XXXX in a situation.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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It's basically horoscope for geeks More articles https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/go... Edit: http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddessig/2014/09/29/the-mysteri... And the Guardian article https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2013/mar/...

Not just geeks. Anyone who is looking for easy to digest oversimplification of who they are.

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post #21

I wonder how MBTI would be perceived if instead of simply a binary EI/NS/FT/PJ, anyone within a standard deviation of the mean got an X, so you could be INXX if you were solidly introverted and intuitive, but not particularly strongly aligned on the later two axes. Naturally most people would have at least an X or two, but it would be much more useful if people didn't have to advertise an F or T if it didn't really m…

It might be perceived differently, but the underlying system would still not be a solid one.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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As an individual (INFJ) thoroughly interested in Myers-Briggs, I often see this discussion brought up. As a short rebuttal, I feel as though many of those who tout Myers-Briggs as a comprehensive personality test fail to understand what the Myers-Briggs attempts to identify. While the "value-add" is more subjective, I'm going to go ahead and say it's not as useless as this article claims. While I don't think anyone (especially employers) should rely heavily on Myers-Briggs, I think it can provide a decent framework (or starting point) outlining basic facets of an individual's personality based on their own perspective. Though I often distrust individual claims about belonging a certain type, given my interest in understanding myself and facets of my own personality, I enjoy discussing why a person may claim to be a part of a certain type.

For me, Myers-Briggs tends to be little more than a starting point for discussing the finer parts of my own personality, values, and perspectives. I find that those who are equally interested in Myers-Briggs share similar values in self-understanding, thus a starting point for some interesting discussion.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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My opinion is that the real value of tools like this is to give people a common vocabulary to talk about themselves and understand others. I think StrengthsFinder[0] does a particularly good job at this. The danger is when people assume they understand somone (or themselves) based on the letters/scores/etc. sans dialogue/reflection. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now%2C_Discover_Your_Strengths

Yes, it seems BM is measure people in 4 axis and assign a name for each of the 16 types. That's it

By forcing people to think in these characteristics to evaluate someone it makes it easier to have a common vocabulary and to predict stuff along those lines

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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My opinion is that the real value of tools like this is to give people a common vocabulary to talk about themselves and understand others. I think StrengthsFinder[0] does a particularly good job at this. The danger is when people assume they understand somone (or themselves) based on the letters/scores/etc. sans dialogue/reflection. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now%2C_Discover_Your_Strengths

That is valuable and true. The problem is that people take them to mean "this is what I'm like" when it really means "this is how I responded to this test."

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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> the most obvious flaw is that the MBTI seems to rely exclusively on binary choices….For example, in the category of extrovert v introvert, you’re either one or the other; there is no middle ground This is categorically false. Myers Briggs results are quite literally reported on a spectrum of 100 I - 0 - E 100, with your position on the spectrum shown. The 4 letter rollup is exactly that: a summary rollup of your te…

Then why do we use the summary rollup when it completely loses any of the granular insights? It makes no sense for me to say I'm an E when it was 51E, 49I. For me personally, shouldn't I instead say something like 51E64N60F65J? Likewise, the "insights" you get into your 4 letters is based on whatever the majority letter was, even when your percentages are nowhere near 100% for each.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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This is so poorly thought out. I really don't get why some people can't seem to tell the difference between things like MBTIs and astrological signs/zodiacs/horoscopes in terms of their potential to classify people in a meaningful way...

One is an arbitrary mapping of a person's date of birth to an set of traits and prophesies.

The other is a brief summary of a person's personality/behavioral inclinations based on a survey of that person's stated behavior and inclinations. When you say MBTI can be "just as arbitrary," what you're claiming is that it might be true that there is zero correlation between how any individual person of a given personality type answers any of the 93 MBTI questions. Sure, there is variation in people's self-assessments (and personalities for that matter, but let's ignore that for the moment) over time, but it wouldn't be "just as arbitrary" unless it had no correlation at all with basically anything about the person. I find that claim to be completely implausible.

The only way it could be true that it is meaningless is if upon repeated testings, knowing a person's formerly reported MBTI provided no insight at all into what MBTIs are more likely than for the average person in subsequent testings. That's certainly not the case that's been found in the research, so at the very least, it provides insight into what a person thinks that they are like.

Even if it were the case that all the MBTIs are only related to positive traits (which isn't true), the idea that it is meaningless is just nonsense.

Re: The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Is Pretty Much Meaningless

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The point of these IMO, isn't to pigeonhole people, it's for many practical reasons:

- Engender some self awareness. It's astonishing how many people lack critical self-awareness about how they approach problems , handle change, communicate with others, or deal with their emotions. MBTI might be nonsense or unverifiable but for many people it's their first exposure to any written form of objective introspection. The belief that these are immutable traits somehow isn't usually dwelled on.

- Help team members recognize that there are different styles/preferences of thinking and reasoning. You'd be amazed how many inter-office conflicts get resolved just through spending time getting to know one another. MBTI or HBDI workshops (not just the test) are helpful for this

On a final note, there is a fairly popular executive MBA program where I took a one week survey course on leadership about a decade ago. In both this course and the program, they were pretty stoked about the Hermann Brain Dominance Instrument (HBDI): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herrmann_Brain_Dominance_Ins...

With the hope it was a bit more rooted in science than MBTI. It focuses more on cognitive preferences than on personality.

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