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Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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With all the hubbub surrounding Mayer/Yahoo, why hasn't the board or shareholders fired her?

I would think the the board of Yahoo believes that since it is selling the company anyway they should let the new buyer pay the golden parachute instead of the existing stock holders.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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FTFY: the PERSON you go to lunch with...

FTFY, guy and dude are pretty much asexual references for a person you don't know who you had a personal interaction with, at least in California. "Who did you have lunch with? Oh, some dude." Try not to language police here. You're not bringing anything to the discussion.

Dude implies some level of laid back cool personality. A dude is someone who skateboards, skis or does lots of pot, not a typical accountant, grammarian or middle manager.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I was once put on a PIP for political reasons by a vengeful boss. That day, I applied to what ended up being my next job, and I put in my notice the day before the PIP was set to end. It was a very small startup. Oddly enough, that boss and I get along really well outside of work, and I'd still gladly go out for drinks with him or something, but I will never work for him again.

> vengeful boss > that boss and I get along really well outside of work hm.

When he's stressed, he gets very, very abusive and takes it out on his subordinates. He's screamed at me, and I've heard him screaming at my co-workers several offices over. He has no control over his temper. He's actually a better person drunk than he is sober. He's warm and friendly when he's drunk.

Also, he gets irrationally angry when anyone calls out the terrible job done by his friend who he put in an architect position. One co-worker of mine at that company... he raised the issue and ended up being railroaded into quitting a couple of months later, and then I'd heard my boss slandering him behind his back a few times.

It's been almost two years since I quit, and I still have painful flashbacks to the way he would yell at people.

But he is fun to hang out with when there's no power differential involved and when he's wasted.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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> So the real rule when looking for new jobs is to avoid places where they hire first and do allocations later, as your picture of what the company is at interview time might be completely different than what you'll find on day one. Oh hey that's actually a whole lot of big corps ... most prominently Google, isn't it?

My interview experience with Google a couple years ago was godawful and horribly mismanaged. Just reinforced my conviction to never work for a large company.

I interviewed with them 2 years ago, as well as a couple of months ago. 2 years ago I would have rated the experience as "fine". My most recent experience was great, however. Very organized, lots of communication on Google's part, and I had a great interviewer. They have definitely made improvements.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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A formal review just covers the company's ass if you come back and claim that your firing was due to illegal discrimination. That is, afaik, 100% of the reason why PIPs even exist. They've decided they wan't fire you and now they need to assemble some compelling documentation that it's you, not them.

A much bigger reason is to demoralize you and convince you that you deserve to be fired, so you won't even think about a lawsuit. PIPs aren't really good documentation of bad performance; in fact, a badly-written PIP can actually backfire on the company because the wording is usually full of holes a good lawyer can drive a truck through. Basically instead of the company having proof you were a poor performer, you now…

Not that I like anti-discrimination or wrongful termination laws anyway, though I am willing to compromise. I suggest a compromise to only include certain kinds of jobs like manual labor under employment anti-discrimination laws, where workers are actually commodities that are measureable and interchangeable.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I was once a fan of Mayer when she first took over Yahoo, until she led a crusade against remote workers. As a remote worker myself I can tell you this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry. A lot of tech companies (especially outside the bay area) want to emulate the cool kids like Yahoo, Google, and Apple, and even the company I work for started questioning its WFH policies. So no, I don't feel sorry for her…

>this crusade sent ripples throughout the industry Were there any other companies that followed yahoo's lead?

Yeah, Gannett started limiting remote workers when Yahoo did. They followed in Yahoo's footsteps because to upper management it sounded like a good idea. Get everyone together!

...except for developers who were already largely working between remote teams anyway and caused some fellow employees with family and health responsibilities but were still good developers to have trouble and eventually leave the company. Cutting out existing options and freedoms to employees does not in any way help the culture of a company. I don't work there any more but every developer was very upset that I talked to at the time.

Any company I work for in the future I want at least the ability to work remote. I personally enjoy being in and around coworkers, but there were a few times when I wanted to work remote for periods of time to help with family. Being in an office can help _certain types_ of work - but it doesn't help all types of work, and development is one that can be remote.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I have been told the feminism is truly about egalitarianism, I will patiently await the feminist outcry.

Feminism is not about egalitarianism. Saying that is the equivalent of responding "All Lives Matter!" to BLM.

I'm not saying that Yahoo did something right or wrong (maybe qualified women started to flock to yahoo because of its female CEO? Who knows! I will let the justice system sort that one out). But I really dislike feminism constantly being watered down to mean anything other than "the advancement of women."

Like, women have a lot of issues across the globe. Women get acid thrown in their faces, get denied education, etc. etc. Feminism is about stopping all of that, NOT about egalitarianism. There's already a word for egalitarianism, why the need to make feminism mean that, too?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I know someone at HP who suddenly had to go in to work. This put him in a situation where he had to pay thousands for day care and he threatened to leave until they finally let him work from home again.

So, an employee was doubling as a full time care giver for his children while remote working? That sounds like exactly the kind of practice that gives remote work policies a bad name in the first place. If I found out one of my employees was taking care of his kids while working at home, you better believe it would result in a conversation and a possible revocation of his use of the remote work policy.

I'd love to hear the explanation for how checking up on a toddler every so often is akin to him grossly neglecting his job.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Just reading this brought back memories of working at LinkedIn, and why I'll never again work for a company who has institutional performance review processes. That pretty much excludes all big tech companies and I'm perfectly fine with that. The cookie-cutter performance review process is impersonal and has absolutely nothing to do with helping people do their best work. In my case, I had a manager who simply didn't…

What companies have ever given you severance if you quit? I've never worked at a place where I'd get anything more than a "See ya!" if I quit.
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